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    EMcF cartouche-- good?

    hello-- new here and this is my first thread. it is about a stock on a garand #9077xx and to me the stock in question seems to be a rebuild. in the channel there is a number 36. on the pistol grip heel there is a RA-P stamp. 2 p's under the pistol grip. without serifs in a circle and with serifs, no circle below. i have a bad feeling about this stock and need some knowlegable advice. thank you.
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    Exclamation Yes, it is a flaming fake.

    Yes, your instincts are correct. It is a flaming fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihcfan55 View Post
    Yes, your instincts are correct. It is a flaming fake.
    Oh my, and a particularly bad one to boot.....
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    Bad is being too good. That is downright ugly!

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    You gotta wonder if it was made bad on purpose so that no one could be fooled by it. I'm certainly not good at picking out fakes but even I can tell that's not close.

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    Specifically, what is wrong with the cartouche? I have compared it to pictures in a couple of books I have and it looks pretty good.

    That part of the stock is curved and the stamp was flat so it all won't show. If you said the stock itself was suspect, is it walnut, how come it looks so good for being approx. 65 years old and having been in a couple of wars, then I can understand peoples' doubts.

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    Is that stock even USGI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elime View Post
    Specifically, what is wrong with the cartouche? I have compared it to pictures in a couple of books I have and it looks pretty good.

    That part of the stock is curved and the stamp was flat so it all won't show. If you said the stock itself was suspect, is it walnut, how come it looks so good for being approx. 65 years old and having been in a couple of wars, then I can understand peoples' doubts.
    You can clearly see the M is way off. Hope this helps. Rick Bicon

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    Look at the "P" and then look harder at the EMcF. You should notice the sharp edges and fresh wood on the cartouche that is not present on the "P". The P may actually be real and the second "P" means it has been rebuilt and refired proof.

    While the stock may be real and it might have a real "P" and a tiny RA from its previous rebuild, somebody did a shabby job of stamping it with a cartouche.

    This is not uncommon and there is a guy out there who sells stamps and offers to "professionally remark" new made stocks and older stoacks to give the buyer a little orginality.

    There are plenty of crooks peddling this stuff. I stick with solid collectors and dealers I know and trust, when buying from a guy with a random Garandicon, I proceed carefully.

    As many have said before me, "Buy the gun NOT the story." If it looks fake it probably is fake, if it comes with a garbage story even more so.

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    The A is another clue, compare RickB's with original post.

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