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    Almost certain sure no P14 were stamped RSA in the Republic of South Africa, which only existed since 1961. Especially if it is still 303. We never had many P14 in any case. They would be stamped with the Britishicon arrow in a U, which was the military ownership stamp.

    Probably slightly off centre stamped BSA.

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    I can see where the some material was removes from the receiver ring to permit ejection of a longer cartridge. May I enquire as to the caliber of the rifle? I believe there are ways to recover the original markings and serial number on the receiver even as scrubbed as that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surpmil View Post
    They were D&T'd for the then ubiquitous Lyman 48 I believe.

    Another one here
    Well I'll be. The hole spacing seemed a little wide for a Lyman and with it being done in Englandicon I assumed they would have used a Parker-Hale. Proven wrong again! Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjruple View Post
    I believe there are ways to recover the original markings and serial number on the receiver even as scrubbed as that one.
    I was watching a television documentary a month or two back concerning a Mafia killing during the Prohibition period (in Chicago I think?). Interestingly, the U.S. Police still had the Thompson SMGs which were used and the Police got them out for the documentary so that they could be filmed. The Police officer went on to explain that the serial number on at least one had been removed, presumably in the belief that it would make the weapon untraceable, but the Police had done some sort of procedure to "recover" the serial number from the weapon. He didn't get into details of how the serial number had been recovered, only that it had been removed but the Police had recovered it.

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    I think they use something like X-Ray crystallography. This shows up the different (distorted) crystal structure in the metal beneath where the stamping was done. Machine-engraved markings produce MUCH less substrate distortion and that is why they are "discouraged" in most manufacturing countries.

    Note the recent use of serial numbers that have been marked using some sort of oscillating pointed tool that "pecks" the number into just about any surface and, yes, it will leave "shadows" in the base metal.

    Machine-engraved markings seem to be quite common on "military" goodies, though.

    Welding over the original numbers may "obliterate" them, BUT, the "signature" of a"weld-over" is even harder to disguise than a deep "linish". You may not be able to read all or any of the original markings, but it does draw the crabs, somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I was watching a television documentary a month or two back concerning a Mafia killing during the Prohibition period (in Chicago I think?). Interestingly, the U.S. Police still had the Thompson SMGs which were used and the Police got them out for the documentary so that they could be filmed. The Police officer went on to explain that the serial number on at least one had been removed, presumably in the belief that it would make the weapon untraceable, but the Police had done some sort of procedure to "recover" the serial number from the weapon. He didn't get into details of how the serial number had been recovered, only that it had been removed but the Police had recovered it.
    If these Thompsons were original Colt built Thompsons there is a hidden serial number stamped into the frame under the foregrip mounting bracket. Back in those days it was not against the law to deface the serial number on a firearm in the US. It only became a requirement to place a serial number on a production firearm in 1968.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldfoneguy View Post
    Well I'll be. The hole spacing seemed a little wide for a Lyman and with it being done in Englandicon I assumed they would have used a Parker-Hale. Proven wrong again! Bill
    Not proven: "I believe..." was as far as I can go
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    Further to last, it is B.S.A. for certain. Those markings can be seen on a quite a few of these rifles, over the filled in "swimming pool" relief cut. "Made in Englandicon" should be "Re-made in England" in this case.
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