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    M1 Carbine ( Bavarian )

    Hello all, first time poster so please be patient if it doesn't come out right....

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    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

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    I have an M1icon carbine that I am hoping to get an approximate value for. I say approximate because I do no think it reasonable to ask for a concrete value from someone who has never held the gun in their hand and seen it in real life. Photos can be deceiving.... if anyone is able to offer an approximate range this rifle would fall into I would appreciate it.

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    receiver National Postal Meter serial 1516941

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    barrel Underwood 6-43

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    front ring stamped U

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    receiver stamped N and NH

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    no marks on safety or mag release

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    "Bavaria Rural Police " stamp removed by someone

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    rear sight Germanicon v notch type stamped H

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    front sight stamped 63 ( believed to be unit number in Bavaria )

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    stock

    "LP" stamp on bottom

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    serial in sling well

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    old serial in forestock

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    handguard with both serials

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    original Inland magazine

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    If more info or pics would be helpful, please let me know.

    Many thanks in advance, Earl
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    if the dovetail (where the rear sight normally sits) has been smoothed out as in picture 2 (as noted with serial number) with the serrations and that is permanent then value is real low on this carbine. Lots of other parts look good but if that dovetail has been destroyed.....the value might be in the rest of the parts. If so I would say $600-$700 as a shooter or perhaps a scope mount candidate.

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    As Cali said it's a parts gun now or just a shooter. If it had not been modified it would have been a real nice collectors piece. Now the value is in the total of it's useable parts. I'm a bit north of Cali but my area would value it in the $400 to $500 range. BUT to a collector of Bavarian carbines it would be a different story. Maybe in the $800+ range BUT again the value would be to them in it being a Bavarian and collectors of these are very few and far between.
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    I cannot imagine why they would put a rear sight on the front of the receiver, really reduces the sight radius.

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    Earl Canuck,
    First welcome to the forum......

    Now a few questions,

    Your Stock:
    1 Can you see any letter markings in the left side slingwell ?
    2 If you measure from the very front nose of your stock to the rear edge, (Front barrel channel) Does it measure just over 4" long?

    Rear sight:
    3 Original rear sight dovetail: Has the center been filled with metal?

    4 Any sign of a Century Arms Import stamp?

    5 Look for the P stamped proof mark on your barrel. Your looking for a single punch mark near it that looks like this period = . Any barrel used originally by NPM has this punch mark.

    Here are some links with similar markings like on your carbine

    U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

    Click here and go to ODDITIES U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

    Here look over the BAVARIA (Agency name removed ) CLICK ON THE ARMORYsection:
    U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria
    This is an example from the Bavarian agency name removed section:
    German Police

    The Serrations on the rear sight base (Dovetail) was done to reduce glare after they installed the rear sights farther forward.

    The Owner/Operator Jim Mock (our hard working Buddy) gets all the credit for information pulled from his Bavarian carbines site. Upon further investigation you may want to consider E-mailing him to share information about your carbine.

    I know you asked about value, but we've got a ways to go to fully understand your carbine. Other than what your parts are worth.

    Cheers and Welcome,
    Charlie-Painter777

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    First, I notice where the Bavarian agency name has been scrubbed off of the left side receiver rail. I suspect it used to say Bavarian Rural Police according to something Jim told me once. I like the way the partial serial numbers are stamped in different formats here and there. BTW, I used to have a CMPicon Bavarian NPM sort of like the OP's. It was an U code with Buffalo Arms barrel and the remnants of silver solder on top of the front receiver ring where the modified rear sight once was. I sold it on Gunbroker for 900 or 950 I believe. If the OP's NPM is not an INTRAC or Century Arms import, I can see it being worth the ranges mentioned in the posts above.

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    Deldriver,
    I remember while visiting one of the BHAMA Gang friends of mine, he was peeling off the 'BLACK' from the same area on a Bavarian he had just purchased from the south store. It was like a black tar, after removal it clearly read Bavaria Forest etc. Other than that we couldn't find anything out of the norm of a rebuilt US WWII carbine (?) go figure, it was also a late NPM.
    I don't own any but will say with the research Jim Mock has done, they are a lot more interesting to me.

    Especially a recent Railroad model I believe it was him who had picked up on GB.

    Cheers
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    Your location is listed as the great white north which I assume means Canadaicon. Value would be in around the 600-800$ range, you see them come up for sale from time to time in Canada (it actually seems to be more common to see a Bavarian M1icon Carbine for sale than a regular M1 Carbine in Canada). Prices are kept down by the fact they are restricted here, which essentially limits them to being a range toy in a uncommon caliber for most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by painter777 View Post
    Earl Canuck,
    First welcome to the forum......

    Hi Charlie, thanks for your response...please see below

    Your Stock:
    1 Can you see any letter markings in the left side slingwell ?
    No letters, just the last 4 numbers of the serial

    2 If you measure from the very front nose of your stock to the rear edge, (Front barrel channel) Does it measure just over 4" long?
    Pretty much exactly 4 inches

    Rear sight:
    3 Original rear sight dovetail: Has the center been filled with metal?
    Yes, filled

    4 Any sign of a Century Arms Import stamp?
    No, which I think is a good thing considering some of the examples I have seen
    Attachment 83346
    I have heard that if the rifle was (re)imported before a certain date ( I think 1968 ) that it would not be marked. I suspect that may be the case here?

    5 Look for the P stamped proof mark on your barrel. Your looking for a single punch mark near it that looks like this period = . Any barrel used originally by NPM has this punch mark.
    Can't see a P but I did find a punch mark on the top of the barrel about midway down the length. The receiver says NPM but the barrel is an Underwood

    Here are some links with similar markings like on your carbine

    U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

    Click here and go to ODDITIES U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

    Here look over the BAVARIA (Agency name removed ) CLICK ON THE ARMORYsection:
    U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria
    This is an example from the Bavarian agency name removed section:
    German Police

    The Serrations on the rear sight base (Dovetail) was done to reduce glare after they installed the rear sights farther forward.

    The Owner/Operator Jim Mock (our hard working Buddy) gets all the credit for information pulled from his Bavarian carbines site. Upon further investigation you may want to consider E-mailing him to share information about your carbine.

    I know you asked about value, but we've got a ways to go to fully understand your carbine. Other than what your parts are worth.

    Cheers and Welcome,
    Charlie-Painter777
    Once again Charlie, thanks for your input. I will check out those links over the next few days.

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