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    So reading through Scotarms terms and conditions and if I have understood it correctly, if you were to buy an item for example something described by them as a genuine sniper's rifle and ended up paying a small fortune for it, you would have no comeback on them if it turned out to be a fake?

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    Thats a cop out I'm afraid. Surely it would be like an estate agent who describes something in the sale literature that clearly isn't there, its a misrepresentation.
    I believe the onus is on them to have their "experts" check the authenticity of the weapons before they say they are genuine, as you would expect for an oil painting at a top auction house
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    If you read the descriptions none are stated as "Genuine" ..... only says sniper rifle, in there eyes thats what it is, they aren't a team of experts either, they are auctioneers........ they don't go through the lots with a fine tooth comb etc, if you leave the details thats whats printed they only grade the item or give a brief description if you don't give one yourself.

    I'll be bidding on some bucket items a few £ here and there, if I win the bid then fine as I need to drop a load of scrap off there for the next one, so not a wasted journey to pick them up.

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    Anybody going to this auction? Are they set up for proxy bidding?

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    correct IDF K98kicon sniper with wild scope should have a stock with cheek piece, rubber butt pads and in the serial number range 200xxx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgg_7 View Post
    Anybody going to this auction? Are they set up for proxy bidding?
    Yep they are set up for it, but you need to have bought before or have an account etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    The problem with some auctions it can be a dumping ground for items that the dealer can't shift in the shop or such as Guntrader or Gunstar, there are all kinds of other reasons also, sometimes a big collection from an estate will go through, or parts are required or need major repairs etc. I've done very well on a few occasions on others I've returned with a few lemons......... you really need to go and preview the items your interested in.

    Its not the easiest of places to get to and you need to take your fuel, entrance and the one everyone forgets is the buyers premium and vat...........into account.
    I only have a base understanding of K98icon Snipers myself Geoff, but a very knowledgeable Danish Mauser Sniper collector walked me round his collection a few years back, he said that he "hoped" the examples he had painstakingly procured over many years were original, but there is always an element of doubt, even with his knowledge.

    The only example he has seen that is definitely 100% genuine, was a family owned example in Denmarkicon that was taken from a German soldier at the end of the war!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    I only have a base understanding of K98icon Snipers myself Geoff, but a very knowledgeable Danish Mauser Sniper collector walked me round his collection a few years back, he said that he "hoped" the examples he had painstakingly procured over many years were original, but there is always an element of doubt, even with his knowledge.

    The only example he has seen that is definitely 100% genuine, was a family owned example in Denmarkicon that was taken from a German soldier at the end of the war!

    John, considering there was no standard at first and all the stamps are available and the market is flooded with repro mounts etc, then it is a mine field, did a bit of research many years ago, but considering I can't even remember were I've put my keys these days then it all comes down to the eye.

    I've worked with metal for many years......... its got a distinct look about it from 75 years ago, the wear and tear, the finish, the colour (bluing etc), the tooling marks and the rust which is now known as patina to many dealers eyes......

    For me when someone slaps a new made mount with tooling marks from a CNC, total wrong colour and no patina........ in the words of Peter Laidlericon, stands out like a bull dogs bollocks.

    I'm certainly no expert very far from it, but I've said in the past if the forger did a little bit more homework then some of the stuff would or could be taken as the real deal......

    Its just the human nature in us, we like shiny and nice things this along with the auction catalogue descriptions....... and armed with a pocket full of money and something we have been looking for can lead to a disastrous purchase........ lucky for me I don't collect German stuff, had a few helmets in the past but thats about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    John, considering there was no standard at first and all the stamps are available and the market is flooded with repro mounts etc, then it is a mine field, did a bit of research many years ago, but considering I can't even remember were I've put my keys these days then it all comes down to the eye.

    I've worked with metal for many years......... its got a distinct look about it from 75 years ago, the wear and tear, the finish, the colour (bluing etc), the tooling marks and the rust which is now known as patina to many dealers eyes......

    For me when someone slaps a new made mount with tooling marks from a CNC, total wrong colour and no patina........ in the words of Peter Laidlericon, stands out like a bull dogs bollocks.

    I'm certainly no expert very far from it, but I've said in the past if the forger did a little bit more homework then some of the stuff would or could be taken as the real deal......

    Its just the human nature in us, we like shiny and nice things this along with the auction catalogue descriptions....... and armed with a pocket full of money and something we have been looking for can lead to a disastrous purchase........ lucky for me I don't collect Germanicon stuff, had a few helmets in the past but thats about it.


    Well put Geoff, I will send a message to my mate in Denmarkicon and enquire if he could take plenty of pictures of the known original example, he's a photographer by trade and it would make a great community reference piece here on Milsurps

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    I've worked with metal for many years......... its got a distinct look about it from 75 years ago, the wear and tear, the finish, the colour (bluing etc), the tooling marks and the rust which is now known as patina to many dealers eyes......
    One "dead give away" to a metal item being a fake/reproduction is for it to have laser cutting machine marks along it's edges.


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