"New in the wrap" Bren mags and tin.

[Flying10uk]

I remember back in the 1970s the MOD selling off shed loads of brand new "in the wrap" spares for Standard Vanguards which looked as if they had been wrapped to survive a nuclear explosion. I believe that the reason the MOD had so many spares in store for the Vanguard is because it was used extensively as a staff car. I did go and have a look at a ex staff car, a Standard Ensign (developed from the Vanguard) in the mid 1980s which I was considering buying but decide not to after seeing it. The bodywork was in excellent shape and the car was very original but the engine was completely shot. The one odd thing about this car which the owner told me was because it had been a staff car, was if you shut all the doors you had to remember to take the keys out of the ignition. The owner insisted that it was not a fault but was a security measure; the doors could only be opened from inside the car or with the key from the outside.

[peregrinvs]

Do you know of any dealers selling MK3 Bren mags still in the wrapper, at affordable prices, then Peter? I've seen plenty of second hand mags for sale but I wasn't aware that ones still in the wrapper are in plentiful supply. I would be interested to hear of any dealers that have them for sale because I need another 4 to make up a tin full

You could try asking Saracen Exports. The Mk3 Bren I got from them a couple of years back came with a wrapped Mk3 magazine.

[Kev G]

They aren't particularly rare but in the last 10 ? years all the boxes of them I have got all came out of Ireland.I picked another partial wrapped box up just before Christmas which were also ex-Irish stock.

[Flying10uk]

Yes, the tin which I have pictured in Post 1 came from an Irish dealer.

[peregrinvs]

Forgot to say: I'm after a mint Enfield made Mk3 magazine to accompany my Mk3 gun. I haven't unwrapped the mag that came with it.

[tankhunter]

RYTON Arms USED to sell New in the wrap Bren mags in a case of 100.

I don't know if they have any left in stock though?

Wether they would take the time to sort & sell some invidudually, I also cannot say?

I doubt it, but it might be worth a phone call to Lyndsey at Rytons?

Mike.

[Kev G]

Rytons new in the wrap magazines were Australian Tropical Packed magazines made by Electrolux.

Kevin

[Brit plumber]

I picked some of the trop pack mags up from Rytons a few years back, they are very much like a padded envelope.

[mrclark303]

Part of the "legislation" states something on the lines of , A deactivated firearm not conforming to the new specification can only be sold/ transferred to a none EU country, so in affect when we pull out we will be free....... to trade our old specs (for a while).

I copied and pasted the following from the HMVF,



"So this has now been enacted, section 128 is the bit that deals with
deactivated firearms:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...on/128/enacted

If you read through that it's not entirely clear what it means. Subsection
4(c) effectively makes it an offence to transfer a deac that isn't done to
the current spec., and by "current spec." I mean the June 13th, 2016 Home
Office spec. This is a different spec. to the April 2016 spec., which is
the EU spec. So taken as a whole, what it basically says is, it's illegal
to sell or gift a deactivated firearm inside the EU, unless it's done to the
current British spec.


Which makes no sense, because the British spec. is not the EU spec. They're
similar but there are differences.


The Home Office have attempted to give me clarification and their
clarification is very vague. What they appear to be saying is this: if the
UK leaves the EU, then the section becomes meaningless, because then all
transfers would be outside the EU and thus the section doesn't apply. If
the UK stays in the EU, they're going to try and get the European Commission
to adopt the current UK spec. and thus the two specifications will be the
same, and then they're going to apply for the earlier 2010 spec. to also be
recognised as sufficient so those can be transferred as well.


The reason they're being vague in my opinion is because (a) they came up
with their spec. prior to the referendum thus this whole thing has gotten
muddled as they didn't expect a "leave" vote and (b) they don't want to
admit they now have a contingency plan for either event.


What is noticeable to me is they appear to have no intention of applying for
any spec. prior to 2010 to be recognised as sufficient. But that only
matters if the UK stays in the EU.


Anyway the key point is that up until the UK leaving the EU, it's illegal to
sell or gift any deactivated firearm unless it's done to the current spec. -
once the section comes into force and the Home Office tells me that will be
in "the next couple of months" (but it's already illegal under European law
if the deac. is prior to April 2016). Note they've made it into an
indictable offence, so you can get 5 years in prison for violating it,
unlike with realistic imitation firearms where the maximum penalty is only
51 weeks".

Thanks for that info Geoff, very interesting, many of us here have a blend of deactivated and live Firearms in our collections and this utter mess of pointless legislation needs booting back over the channel along with the rest of EU law. ROLL ON ARTICLE 50!

[Flying10uk]

Not all U.K. dealers appear to be currently fully aware of the forth coming legislation.