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    I didn't have more stoppages when I used them, but it's a much harder mag to load as I'm sure we all here know. Without the tool, it's a pig... I'd far, far rather use a Sterling and correct mags. The Sten mags would have been a interim while awaiting correct mags. The Sten mags work fine unless they're hooped. Then as Peter has verbally illustrated several times, they should exist no more.
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    More often than not, it's a drooping, loose or knackered magazine housing on a Sten that's the problem rather than magazines. Drooping mag housing is an easy fix, Just use oversize latch pin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    More often than not, it's a drooping, loose or knackered magazine housing on a Sten that's the problem rather than magazines. Drooping mag housing is an easy fix, Just use oversize latch pin!
    Was there an oversized latch pin available or did you have to make them?

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    Here’s the problem with Sterling mags in a Sten.



    The rounds are presented too low.



    They hit the barrel busing and don’t chamber.



    The Sten magazine presents the rounds higher and at an angle.



    They go right into the chamber.

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    Now try the same using UKicon Military Mk2Z ammo and you'll see that the bullet shape directs the round differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Sterling mags in a Sten
    The Sterling mag housing sat at a different attitude to the Sten mag housing. The Sterling mag is facing downward by comparison...simple...
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    That's because the 8 degree 'angle of presentation' (the AoP) in a STEN is incorporated into the feed lips of the Sten magazine. The mag is square on in the gun but it is the mag that presents the round at 8 degrees.
    Whereas the 8 degree AoP with a STERLING is incorporated into the actual mag housing of the gun. The rounds are square-on in the mag BUT the mag is angled in the gun at 8 degrees.

    But they both present the cartridge at 8 degrees.

    Getting complicated now or what.......

    Vince's photo 4 is good because it shows that in both guns, there is no 'twilight zone'. That's the Armourers and users nightmare scenario with poor design. The twilight zone is where the round is being fed into the chamber and it is not under any control. What do I mean by 'control? Here you can see the round firmly under the control of the feed lips. In a millisecond the round will pass into the control of the chamber and only THEN will it slide from/leave the control of the feed lips. It's being controlled/held/directed the whole way. And only a millisecond later will it centre itself in the chamber (again under control of course) until the last millisecond when it will align with the striker (this is a mechanical safety) and stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Getting complicated now or what
    Nope, still simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    That's because the 8 degree 'angle of presentation' (the AoP) in a STEN is incorporated into the feed lips of the Sten magazine. The mag is square on in the gun but it is the mag that presents the round at 8 degrees.
    Whereas the 8 degree AoP with a STERLING is incorporated into the actual mag housing of the gun. The rounds are square-on in the mag BUT the mag is angled in the gun at 8 degrees.
    But they both present the cartridge at 8 degrees.
    Getting complicated now or what.......
    They both present the rounds at 8 degrees as long as you put a STEN magazine in a STEN and a Sterling magazine in a Sterling.

    A Sterling magazine presents the rounds square-on in a STEN. So it doesn’t feed.



    A STEN magazine in a Sterling presents the rounds at 16 degrees. It seems like a lot compared to the Sterling magazine. But it works!

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