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Originally Posted by
Flying10uk
Because it is now after the 2nd of May 2017 and the new regs/laws are being enforced.
That's true, but that might be one of only several possible reasons why it is no longer listed:
They may have withdrawn it whilst they modify it to the deactivation spec under the new regulations;
They may have already modified it to the deactivation spec under the new regulations;
It may have been seized, as Peter suggests;
There may be another reason! 
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05-06-2017 06:05 AM
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As we have gone past the 2nd May, for those who have deactivated firearms/weapons etc, (although it ceases to be a Firearm after deactivation) we are basically stuck with them, but I was asked the question in a Military fair not so long ago regarding a *"Defective Deactivated weapon" of which they are all classed as now if not deactivated to current EU standard and you wish to sell, trade or pass on etc *so if a supposedly post 1995 deactivated weapon was more in line with an old spec weapon, IE, the trigger mech was working or the welded bolt had been removed or similar, obvious its not correct to the spec it should be, but in all tense and purpose it will be a Defective Deactivated weapon as much as any other, so where would one stand......... if they were planning on keeping it ??
To me if the person bought such a weapon I would suspect fowl play somewhere along the line but, with the new EU spec in force , I said I doubt it would raise much concern, as anything not to current EU spec is upon sale or transfer etc "Defective" and at the end of the day it still is rendered incable of discharging a projectile.
Anyone any thoughts ??
It may be a bit to digest, and I can hear the Dremils firing up as I type this added bit, but think again, caught with a Deac in bits and the Hum of the dremil I could only surmise it would be classed as "intent" .........
Must admit I've seen such cases over the years at fairs and shows etc where something was a miss with the spec and normally replaced them back on the rack or bench and wiped off my dabs.......
*The classification of " Defective " only comes into place if one is trying to trade, sell or pass on a weapon not to EU spec, anything in a collection etc is fine, but will need to be up graded to the new spec if one is to sell or trade etc.
Last edited by bigduke6; 05-06-2017 at 06:51 PM.
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I wonder how a suitably qualified/licensed dealer will bring an earlier U.K. spec deac up to the new E.U. spec? How is he going to drill the holes in the bottom of the barrel, as per E.U. spec, when there is already a slot cut through it? Is he going to have to fit a new barrel so he can re-deactivate it in the new way, weld up the slot then drill holes through it or perhaps just drill holes through thin air???
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Originally Posted by
bigduke6
As we have gone past the 2nd May, for those who have deactivated firearms/weapons etc, (although it ceases to be a Firearm after deactivation) we are basically stuck with them, but I was asked the question in a Military fair not so long ago regarding a *"Defective Deactivated weapon" of which they are all classed as now if not deactivated to current EU standard and you wish to sell, trade or pass on etc *so if a supposedly post 1995 deactivated weapon was more in line with an old spec weapon, IE, the trigger mech was working or the welded bolt had been removed or similar, obvious its not correct to the spec it should be, but in all tense and purpose it will be a Defective Deactivated weapon as much as any other, so where would one stand......... if they were planning on keeping it ??
To me if the person bought such a weapon I would suspect fowl play somewhere along the line but, with the new EU spec in force , I said I doubt it would raise much concern, as anything not to current EU spec is upon sale or transfer etc "Defective" and at the end of the day it still is rendered incable of discharging a projectile.
Anyone any thoughts ??
It may be a bit to digest, and I can hear the Dremils firing up as I type this added bit, but think again, caught with a Deac in bits and the Hum of the dremil I could only surmise it would be classed as "intent" .........
Must admit I've seen such cases over the years at fairs and shows etc where something was a miss with the spec and normally replaced them back on the rack or bench and wiped off my dabs.......
*The classification of " Defective " only comes into place if one is trying to trade, sell or pass on a weapon not to EU spec, anything in a collection etc is fine, but will need to be up graded to the new spec if one is to sell or trade etc.
It's a very interesting point Geoff, as you say everything prior to April 2016 is now regarded as "defective", the EU directive has superseded all previous specs.
You could say the legality of modifying one spec to another (providing no attempt whatsoever to reactivate is made) is now completely irrelevant, as these specs are no longer accepted and considered obsolete by the Proof Houses for the purposes of re-certification, much like the deacs prior to 1988 were.
On the other hand, as you say Geoff, if caught in the act of adjusting one by the police, it may not work out too well for them.
Best bet is to just leave well alone, I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone went ahead and "freed up" a new (old) spec deac.
As you say Geoff, we have all seen mucked about with deacs, Brens with removable barrels are by far the most common examples of this.
Last edited by mrclark303; 05-06-2017 at 08:22 PM.
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John, obvious this guy (in the question) was trying to sell before the cutoff date and someone had picked up on it......... I very much doubt he had anything to do with the "change" can only guess it was previous owner,.
A Bren with a removable barrel, something some can only dream of..... or missed out on (far easier to store) , in fact a Bren you can cock and fire .......all gone now.....
Last edited by bigduke6; 05-06-2017 at 08:36 PM.
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Yep, seen a few old spec 1989 deac removable barrel Brens over the years Geoff, even a few with piston extensions still relatively intact, just slightly cut.
As opposed to the "I accidentally dropped it and the weld holding the barrel failed" honestly guv, type...
Welded up trash from here on in mate
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I recently asked a similar question to a dealer friend and it was his opinion (And one I value) that the previous standards are still extant even though they are now defective. By tampering with a previous standard you would be returning the item to it's original classification.
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Originally Posted by
Flying10uk
I would guess F10, (if the PH were that anal about an already completely destroyed barrel) they would drill the holes on the side instead.
With regard to modifying deacs and their subsequent return to their previous legal status, that is something that would need to be argued in court, at the very least it could end up with your initial arrest, with all the embarrassment that entails and a long interview without coffee.
I think we can all agree that wouldn't be a position any of us would like to be in, so best play it safe and just leave them well alone.
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Originally Posted by
mrclark303
I think we can all agree that wouldn't be a position any of us would like to be in, so best play it safe and just leave them well alone.
John Its a position none of us here would get into in the first place, Its interesting to what folk have heard though, one dealer I spoke to said basically what BP,s friend said, others were spouting pure....... and others were on the fence.
F10 I would assume they would just use a bigger drill than the slot, does it have to be a round hole ?
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