My new Winchester

[SRiverrat11]

I am not new to Milsurps but dont know much about Carbines. So I came to this section. I recently bought this Winchester, with paperwork from the NRA, but the DD1149 has no ser# written on it. I hear people talk of weld marks on the barrel band but am not sure what that means. Stake marks for the rear sights is also somewhat of mystery. My main question is, does this look fairly untouched since 1965.

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[painter777]

weld marks on the barrel band

Most of the time when weld spots are brought up it pertains to the earlier narrow Type I bands. These can be found with 2 or 3 weld spots on top.
Certain makers were found using 2 weld, others 3 weld.

Your band is what we call a Type II, but to be sure it isn't a Type III (Bayo band) that has been cut back to look like a Type II, it needs the inner retaining band inspected.

With that said your barrel shows no sign of having the latter type III band on it, if it had you'll often find a dis coloration of the finish and 3 wear spots from the bands inner pads wearing on the barrel.
Like in the first picture in this link:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread....540#post378540

It's hard to tell from your pictures, but your band doesn't look like a WRA band.
Look at this link and look at the reply and picture posted by fellow member DaveHH for a comparison to your band:

http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16678

For Rear sight stake marks. Flip sights usually had a chisel style stake just to the front right of the sight on the top/edge of the dovetail.

Adj rear sights had punch marks, as few as 1 or 2-3 or more. They look like craters on the moon.
Look at this GB auction, it will show you the stake/punch marks used for adj rear sights:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/625390692

HTH,
Charlie-painter777

[Bruce McAskill]

It really looks untouched since it was made. Dates to about May 1944. The stock was sanded at one point and that was it. Not uncommon with the DCM/NRA carbines. Some went through full rebuilds and others like this one with minimal work done to them. You have a nice gem there.

[SRiverrat11]

Does this help show Type II, or Type III cutback to look like a II? Thank you both, I really appreciate it. I have Riesch's sixth edition but many times I still cant figure out what I'm looking at.

[deldriver]

Does this help show Type II, or Type III cutback to look like a II? Thank you both, I really appreciate it. I have Riesch's sixth edition but many times I still cant figure out what I'm looking at.

Your picture is showing the bottom front part of the band...can you take a picture of the top front part of the band? We don't need to see the top part showing the weld marks. Thanks

[SRiverrat11]

Is this any better?

[deldriver]

Yes, the new pictures help. I'm going to say that's a legit type two barrel band, but not the type most commonly associated with Winchester as Painter pointed out. I remember reading a post in the past where Inland type two barrel bands were known to show up on Winchester carbines in or near your serial number; that could be why your barrel band is the type it is. It's a very nice carbine no matter what, enjoy it!

[USGI]

I've got only one carbine with a Type 2 band. It's a 5.66M Winchester. Is this the same type band as the OP's? Thanks! - Bob

[painter777]

New questions:
Wonder if that frt sight is a lyman made for WRA? Only real way to know is looking over the side profile.
I have a picture comparing the side profile of a Rock Ola and WRA front sight here:
Reply #2....... 2nd picture has WRA on the left
3rd picture WRA on the right....

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=38209

Band looks real to me also, just not familiar with these on WRA's, but anything possible during their transition period and so close to the incoming Underwood receivers. In fact these bands look much like the type II unmarked bands found on late Underwoods.

Makes you wonder if not an original Type II band to this carbine, if it may be a replacement due to a damaged sling swivel (?)
Knowing the frt sight maker may help.
May never know, bottom line though is it's a very nice carbine with all original USGI parts.

Does the safety have a "EW" marking? Thinking I may see it when zoomed up.

Thanks for sharing it
Charlie-Painter777

[SRiverrat11]

New questions:
Wonder if that frt sight is a lyman made for WRA? Only real way to know is looking over the side profile.
I have a picture comparing the side profile of a Rock Ola and WRA front sight here:
Reply #2....... 2nd picture has WRA on the left
3rd picture WRA on the right....

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=38209

Band looks real to me also, just not familiar with these on WRA's, but anything possible during their transition period and so close to the incoming Underwood receivers. In fact these bands look much like the type II unmarked bands found on late Underwoods.

Makes you wonder if not an original Type II band to this carbine, if it may be a replacement due to a damaged sling swivel (?)
Knowing the frt sight maker may help.
May never know, bottom line though is it's a very nice carbine with all original USGI parts.

Does the safety have a "EW" marking? Thinking I may see it when zoomed up.

Thanks for sharing it
Charlie-Painter777

The safety does have EW on it.