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    NM Remington Rand?

    I traded for this recently. I have about $800 in it. Serial number dates to 1944.(I used Photoshop to obscure the ending serial numbers)

    This gun has a barrel with part number NM7790313 and no serial number. This barrel was put on NM pistols made in 1961 and 1962.

    NM pistols made by Springfield Amory had a serial number on the barrel, frame, and slide. This one does not have a NM serial number.

    This gun has an Elliason rear sight. They were put on pistols made in 1966 and 1967.

    From 1959 to 1969 front straps had milled checkering. This pistol was stippled.

    The trigger is aluminum and has AF stamped on the right side.

    The slide has no markings.

    Barrel ramp is polished and the frame has a polished area that matches with the bottom of the feed ramp of the barrel.

    The trigger pull is between 3.5 lbs and 4 lbs.

    I am getting 1-2" groups at 15 yds from a rest.

    Even though the pistol was well made, I have to conclude that it is a pistol made with National Match parts by a competent gunsmith or military armorer and is not a National Match pistol made by Springfield.

    What do you think?
















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    I shot against the US Coast Guard pistol team in about 1976 and this is the ilk of pistols they had to shoot...built for them by armorers and done by themselves. Lots of guys have done tune ups like this. Lots of hand selection and careful fitting... Yes I think the number is a RR.
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    I have a hardball gun made up on a 1927 Argentineicon frame. I paid an army armorer to build it for me in the early 1970's. Nearly all parts but the receiver are NM. I suspect there will be a time in the future when an owner of this pistol will
    try to figure it's history. There were lot of competent gunsmiths and military armorers doing such work in the 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herschel View Post
    I have a hardball gun made up on a 1927 Argentineicon frame. I paid an army armorer to build it for me in the early 1970's. Nearly all parts but the receiver are NM. I suspect there will be a time in the future when an owner of this pistol will
    try to figure it's history. There were lot of competent gunsmiths and military armorers doing such work in the 1970's.
    The reason that I posted this is to see if anyone can provide more info on the pistol. The future is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LouisianaJoe View Post
    to see if anyone can provide more info on the pistol.
    I think you have it...
    Regards, Jim

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    I didn't intend to muddy the water with my post above. Just wanted to make the point that providing you information in response to the original question will be very difficult.


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    Documentation on these can be elusive. It looks very similar to those issued to Marine pistol shooters during the late 50's and early 60's which were made up by level 5 armorers without regard to original manufacturer and if any records were kept, they have disappeared long ago. We were issued one hard ball and one wad cutter with Bomar or Micro sights and forbidden to field strip them for cleaning in order to maintain tightness. Yours looks fairly typical of what Army and Air Force shooters had. Ours had the original standard plastic grips. It's an interesting '11, to be sure.

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