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    Winchester P14

    Don't know much about these, but I figured Winchester made, PERFECT bores, have not been through Wheedon, one is a 4 digit serial # - the other 6, bolt/barrel/receiver match all in excellent shape (lots of cosmolineicon everywhere) was worth $360. Did I do OK?
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    Yes, I'd say you did pretty darn good. Do the rear sight serial numbers also match? Are they fully wooded? What makes you think they haven't been through Weedon? The rear volley sight missing its arm suggests otherwise. More pictures please.
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    If there is a daisy stamp (asterisk) on the receiver, bolt handle, extractor and butt then it went through Weedon. If it has no rear volley sight as kiwi said and no front volley sight but the base is on the stock that is an indicator as well. - Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Yes, I'd say you did pretty darn good. Do the rear sight serial numbers also match? Are they fully wooded? What makes you think they haven't been through Weedon? The rear volley sight missing its arm suggests otherwise. More pictures please.
    I did not say I did not think they had been arsenal rebuilt, my guess is that they have, just not Weedon. The rear sight serial numbers do not match. No asterisk anywhere. The blurring is way to nice to be original. Again, bores are perfect and original per the matching serial numbers to the receiver and bolt. Found what I think is an importer stamp. Will update with pics later. Really wondering where they were for so long that they were never upgraded but did go to some sort of rebuilding. Thanks for your interest and help

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    If there is a daisy stamp (asterisk) on the receiver, bolt handle, extractor and butt then it went through Weedon. If it has no rear volley sight as kiwi said and no front volley sight but the base is on the stock that is an indicator as well. - Bill
    No stamps daisy asterisk or otherwise to be found. Guess I could measure the lugs if I knew what the before and after was supposed to be. Also, does not look like barrels have been st back at all. Question: is it hard to find these that have not been upgraded (altered) and are they safe to shoot? Thanks

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    The stock's will tell you where the WRS took place. Underside to stock below hand grip there should be a pointed star with a capital letter. A star and an E for example means the WRS occurred at RSAF Enfield. Looking forward to the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    The stock's will tell you where the WRS took place. Underside to stock below hand grip there should be a pointed star with a capital letter. A star and an E for example means the WRS occurred at RSAF Enfield. Looking forward to the pictures.
    Oh cool. Not at home, but will look. Can't figure out how to upload more pictures. On my iPad at the office. Have many, but few of the wood.

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    OK. Will upload some pictures here of the metal. Wood to follow.

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    And some of the wood. Interesting thing - stock only looks roughed in. You can still see the lines from the duplicator. Never finished sanded. only 3 things on the under side - an X a 6 and a 1. See photos. No brass disc. Has been plugged.

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    Here is a super easy way to tell if it went through a Weedon process. Pull out your bolt get a good flashlight and look for the mill work done to mine during the Weedon refurb. If your barrel face has this relief milled into it then it's been Weedon'd. Your 6 digit serial numbered one may not have needed the Weedon treatment. If it was made in December 1916 or later they started life with the longer bolt lug and didn't need the change done. If in the Britishicon arsenal in 1939 the 4 digit one most certainly would have been changed during it's refurb.

    Seeing as you have 2 compare the length of the bolt lugs opposite of the extractor, that's the one that was lengthened. The lug on the 4 digit serial number should be .010" shorter coming out from the bolt face toward the chamber.

    Many weren't refurb'd and they are less common than those that were but they are out there and not unheard of. Take a quick run through the older threads in this section and you will find several. - Bill

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    Interesting. Thanks for the info. So one has been rebuilt, one has not. The older 4 digit rifle (blued bolt) has not been. "Newer" 6 digit (bright bolt) has. It has the asterisk on the extractor and N.S. on bolt body. See pics
    The other interesting thing is that the older "unaltered" one sits in an Eddystone stock. The newer one sits in a correct P14 stock. You know where i'm going with this. Yes - the switch is on.
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