Winchester P14

[oldfoneguy]

The blued bolt is an original small lug configuration, congratulations! If the chamber on the right is the 6 digit one it has not been modified and is original to the rifle. The daisy on the extractor is a Weedon stamp but may just be a used replacement as they are easy to break if not feeding from the magazine. If the rifle doesn't have that stamp on the bolt handle and the receiver then it hasn't had a Weedon refurb and was most likely made later with the larger bolt lug. The NS stamp stands for nickel steel and was a common stamp on later Winchester P14's and all US Model 1917's. - Bill

[Baldy44]

Thanks for all of the great information Bill. Much appreciated. Don

[Surpmil]

I did not say I did not think they had been arsenal rebuilt, my guess is that they have, just not Weedon. The rear sight serial numbers do not match. No asterisk anywhere. The blurring is way to nice to be original. Again, bores are perfect and original per the matching serial numbers to the receiver and bolt. Found what I think is an importer stamp. Will update with pics later. Really wondering where they were for so long that they were never upgraded but did go to some sort of rebuilding. Thanks for your interest and help[COLOR="black"]

Actually, I think you have got original bluing there; those numbers are too crisp at the edges and the surface appears too untouched to be anything else IMHO. Rare bird indeed if I'm right.

[Baldy44]

Bill - Quite possible as the markings are still very sharp. Can't find edges that have been rounded either. Perfect bores are an indication as these obviously have not been shot/cleaned much. Hoping one is a good shooter for Perry. May go back and buy the remaining two which were equally as nice. Cheers...

[oldfoneguy]

I wish you luck Don and often wonder why I don't fall into good fortune like that...ever!
Let us know what you end up with.
I'm curious if you could do any better than what you have already found. - Bill

[Baldy44]

Bill - You seem very knowledgeable on these, so I'm hitting you up with another question. Is it totally improper to find a P14 in a 1917 stock, or was it one frequently out of necessity. Kinda thinking someone at Camp Perry might complain unless I can show evidence that it was common/proper. A 1917 wont the vintage bolt match just a couple years ago but I think I can get more accuracy out of one of the P14's to be honest. Thanks.

[browningautorifle]

Is it totally improper to find a P14 in a 1917 stock

If you search a bit here, you'll find threads talking about this very thing. There are minor differences in the rifles and some are more than minor...

[oldfoneguy]

Bill - You seem very knowledgeable on these, so I'm hitting you up with another question. Is it totally improper to find a P14 in a 1917 stock, or was it one frequently out of necessity. Kinda thinking someone at Camp Perry might complain unless I can show evidence that it was common/proper. A 1917 wont the vintage bolt match just a couple years ago but I think I can get more accuracy out of one of the P14's to be honest. Thanks.

Don it is very common to find a P14 in a Model 1917 stock. My own Remington P14 came in a beautiful Eddystone Model 1917 stock. I replaced that with a Remington P14 stock and transferred my sporter 1917 into the Eddystone. There was a British manufacturer whose name escapes me that made M1917 style stocks for P14's during the Weedon refurbs. There were also many 1917 stocks that were shipped to Britain during the first war for use as spares.

Will it be accepted at Camp Perry? Sorry but that is a question I can't truthfully answer as I have no experience in dealing with them. In my limited match experience, the rules seem to be set by the judges on the morning of the match. I'm sure Perry is somewhat different however than the local matches I've been in. I would contact someone there for proper info. - Bill

[Kiwi]

There was a British manufacturer whose name escapes me that made M1917 style stocks for P14's during the Weedon refurbs.

Those WW2 era P14 stocks were stamped No.3 MkII on the right side of the buttstock.

[harry mac]

Don it is very common to find a P14 in a Model 1917 stock. My own Remington P14 came in a beautiful Eddystone Model 1917 stock. I replaced that with a Remington P14 stock and transferred my sporter 1917 into the Eddystone. There was a British manufacturer whose name escapes me that made M1917 style stocks for P14's during the Weedon refurbs. There were also many 1917 stocks that were shipped to Britain during the first war for use as spares.

Will it be accepted at Camp Perry? Sorry but that is a question I can't truthfully answer as I have no experience in dealing with them. In my limited match experience, the rules seem to be set by the judges on the morning of the match. I'm sure Perry is somewhat different however than the local matches I've been in. I would contact someone there for proper info. - Bill

Bill, the British company making the stocks was H. Morris & Co, Glasgow. They were a furniture manufacturer (and still are).
From all I've read the up-grade from Mk1 standard to Mk1* was not a modification undertaken at Weedon, but an up-grade in the rifles' spec incorpoated at the manufacturing stage. The first 100,000 rifles or so from each manufacturer were Mk1's, then the spec was changed and all further production was at Mk1* standard. Major machining work such as milling out the breech faces for the longer bolt lug would have been outside the remit of the refurbishment process.