21 No Reserve Penny Start Milsurps - 1903/A4 - S/42 K98 - Red Nine C96 - BYF P38

[MisterGreen]

Good day all,

My business Old Arms of Idaho, LLC just put up 21 great milsurp firearms up for auction with penny start and no reserve. A good opportunity for everyone.

You can search seller ID: Old Arms of Idaho

You can follow this link as well.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...ellers=3080547

List of Items:
1903 A4 Sniper - Immaculate
1873 Trapdoor
1863 Sharps New Model
WWII K98icon S/42
WWII BNZ K98 Last Ditch
1863 Sharps New Model Un-converted
1884 Springfield Trapdoor - EXCELLENT
1914 Erfurt Artillery Luger
GSAD No. 5 Jungle Carbine
1898 Springfield Krag
Red Nine C96 Mauser
WWII Russianicon Capture K98 BNZ
1885 Martini Henry
GSAD Pre-Ban AK47
Sky 1939 Finnishicon Nagant
Steyr M95 Budapest
Springfield 1886 Krag
BYF Mauser P38
H&R M1icon Garand

Moderator Edit: Other ad deleted from member's private WTS area, as this is the correct place for this type of commercial advertising. Also, corrected link as per member Promo's comments.

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[Promo]

This link is not working for me.

Edit: played around a bit with parts of your non-working link. I guess I found you: http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...ellers=3080547

EDIT SECOND: I would advise you to pull the M1903A4 auction! This rifle is humped! The receiver has been overwelded and reengraved with a new model designation and new serial number!

Moderator Edit: Reduced font size for less stress in reading..

[MisterGreen]

Thanks for fixing the link.

While you many have an opinion on the originality of this rifle, your opinion is just that. Torching other peoples listings with no basis or the backstory or knowledge of the item is juvenile.

Anyone interested in this 03/a4 is encouraged to call as the ad describes.

This is an original gun.

[Promo]

Sir, I would place any bet that this rifle is scrubbed and reserialized. Please ask on the M1903 section of this forum. Probably the owner of this forum can link this thread also there?

If you want to find out yourself, not only judge by the miscoloration on the receiver, but also by comparing the manufacturer inscription on your rifle and on originals. Originals have the "Hatchers Hole" right in the middle of the U.S., what yours doesn't. Also check the G of REMINGTON on your rifle, it is made from an O with an additional line. Plus the font of the serial number is incorrect.

I have no personal interest since I am anyway not from the US. But to what I know it is illegal to scrub markings and add a new serial number in the US. Therefore I thought you might be interested to find out.

[MisterGreen]

In my country accusing anyone associated to a required prison sentence in the handling of fine firearms is an obnoxious and serious personal claim.

I have 4 rifles in my possession to compare to combined with an extensive library and personal relationship with two gentleman that own and have handled more clean example rifles than most museums.

You making this claim from Europe is offensive to my business as anyone can search my advertised business and question my reputation over it in this forum specifically.

Perhaps the worst part of it is that these claims are what devalue well put together boards such as this.



Would any board admin please delete this post?

Policing them is a trouble.

[Promo]

Sir,

in not a single word I have accused you or your business of having produced this rifle. In fact I am quite certain that neither you "produce" this rifle, nor you were aware of what in my point of view was done with this rifle. Therefore I did not want to accuse you of anything, only to make you aware what I have noticed (if any terms were inappropriate pleas excuse it, especially when considering that English is not my native language). I am very sure your company is highly reliable and a good source for collectible items, plus the simple fact that you want to get in direct contact with collectors here make you much more valueable for collectors than other dealers.

What I had wanted to express is that it is not a question of who has how much (I have six M1903A4 rifles in my collection to compare it with) or who has given an opinion (we have what I consider the most knowledgeable person on M1903 rifles alive here on this forum, John Beard - you can of yourse contact him and ask for his opinion), but rather than to point out something to you and discuss this particular thing and not on who has thought what.

It has appeared to me that sometimes I handle guns in person where I think they are good, but when I get pictures afterwards of what I've had in my hands I notice things which I haven't before.

Having an item in the hands compared to have only pictures of an item both have benefits or diadvantages. When you have it in hands, one can precisely check of every small thing which might not be shown in pictures. It however sometimes is an overwhelm of impressions, probably in a limited time. Especially if you look at complete collections one might pays less attention to a certain item and only gives a single item an overall check for obvious things.

In my previous messages from yesterday I need to admit that I have started from a rather short point without giving clear reasons and detailed explanations. In my last message I however pointed out some particular points to you, which you have not reacted to. Therefore I attach two pictures from your auction, plus two pictures of original M1903A4 rifles. Please re-read what I was pointing out in my previous post here and then look at the pictures attached to this message.

The M1903A4 rifle was basically a M1903A3 rifle, which received split receiver markings to avoid that the scope base covers the manufacturer markings and serial number. Plus because it didn't have iron sights, the front sight base was never installed on the rifle. There were very limited (compared to "normal" 1903A3 rifles) numbers being produced, less than 30,000 in very detailed serial number blocks.

Please give the attached pictures a very detailed comparison, both of the location of the letters, plus the font being used. You will noticed there are differences in both of them. Adding the miscoloration plus the blued finish on the receiver (an original M1903A4 receiver would be phosphated) leads to the conclusion that the rifle most possibly has had the original markings scrubbed and new ones applied.