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    Google search of Parker Hale M83 states " Parker Hale M83 {NATO Target Rifle} . This is simply a commercial name for the L81A1". The L81A1 was built on a single shot M84 action with a 1200TX profile barrel.

    Gil - any reference in your records? Typical L81A1 serial numbers?

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    Ron,
    Nothing at all on them. Just checked again, there isn't one entry logged as an M83 in Bill Smallwoods records.
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    Info I found { Google} was from a book "Rifles of The World - by John Walter". I copied the page. If somebody wants the info they can send their email to my PM and I'll forward. Ron (Canadaicon).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgg_7 View Post
    Info I found { Google} was from a book "Rifles of The World - by John Walter". I copied the page. If somebody wants the info they can send their email to my PM and I'll forward. Ron (Canadaicon).
    Rifles of the World - John Walter - Google Books

    a statement in a book, even if titled "rifles of the world" is hardly a reliable reference. In this case the article is full of misinformation and contradictory info...typical gobblygook to fill word counts.

    Does he have footnotes referencing any documents to prove the statement? photos perhaps?

    in a word, "nope"


    I would suspect that the "M83" might well be the first iteration of the re-inforced Mauser 98 action developed in the M84/85/86/87, but until someone actually see's one, or finds a legitimate reference, it's all conjecture.

    I take it that the L81a1 is an M84, https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1139490 while an L81A2 is the totally round top m. 98 action?
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    Probably have to agree, sadly nothing reliable to go on from the period, as those examples are clearly in the Leeds RA, but there was clearly some thought given, and it would have been a logical sequential numbering of the rifle model, by PH. I would probably have to fall back on my original view of a variant of the 1200TX target rifle.
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    My solution to it should look like these, and I take it those in the museum do match these L81A1's or something close?:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    My solution to it should look like these, and I take it those in the museum do match these L81A1's or something close?:
    No idea, never been there nor seen one.

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    RW Snyder (our own RWSGUNSMITHING) built me what I call my "C3A2"...using AICS mags and a Mcmillan A5 stock.

    other than that, I've only been able to play with my M82, 1200tx, m84 & m87
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    One thing I have always admired is the quality that McMillan produce and did with the M85 and other stuff even today.
    I spoke to a very helpful young saleslady last year and she believes they still have the mould for the M85 somewhere!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    One thing I have always admired is the quality that McMillan produce and did with the M85 and other stuff even today.
    I spoke to a very helpful young saleslady last year and she believes they still have the mould for the M85 somewhere!!
    The M85 is the "McHale" stock. Tactical Stocks | McHale Stock | Rifle Stocks | McMillan Fiberglass Stocks


    The issue is the inletting; If they don't have the program or pattern for the M85 anymore, I would probably just get the Mauser 98 /C3A1 inlet and extend the front ring.

    I've had an M85 stock that I bought from Navy arms 20+ years ago that I might finally get around to using soon...though not with an m85 action.

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    Yes a very versatile stock indeed.
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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