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    Agreed.........but I always get twitchy when people go to that length to obstruct numbers on Firearms, so unecessary and spoils a good rifle, unless the seller has something to hide.
    I would probably bet I could recover that number in my old job at the Home Office, recovered a lot worse than that.
    On serious crimes we applied an etching re-agent, generally a strong acid whose name escapes me at the moment, and the metal around the stamped out markings which were etched over or eaten away by a hammer by the acid leaves the compressed metal intact and visa vi the complete serial number. Scientific magic but it works everytime. The cut of a serial number into any weapon shocks it to its very core and WILL ALWAYS leave a trace, some better than others.
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    Boys, just to clear the air....and I think and hope it is?????? The serial # for that rifle is fully intact as should be....I would not purchase a rifle whose serial # had been altered in any way shape or form, plus why would I want to incriminate myself, it's illegal. It's just a little piece of clear tape and marked over with a black pen obscuring the last two numerical digits of a four digit serial #, prefixed by the letter "J". It's a temporary measure I choose to do when posting pictures. I don't have anything to hide, if I did, I certainly would not be part of this Site. Now back to the rifle, ain't she lovely................

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    Bros,
    That is good news in this particular case, and I don't blame you for doing just that in the circumstances of the www and those that look in with other things on their minds. I try to discourage people from photographing the complete number when showing it off.
    I'll put my forensic kit away.
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    Shouldn't the J be a suffix rather than a prefix??

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    There are numerous M84 actions stamped J-1234 as a prefix with a dash after the letter in the files and also 01230J for another M84 action too, so you can see the issues, and the reason I never mentioned it in this particular thread.

    There are also M82 rifle stamped prefixed with an R and five numbers as well as G with five numbers both in 7.62 x 51!!! These are all examples off the records so it must be fact.

    Latterly as the M85 was produced, commonsense seems to have prevailed and the letter was then stamped as a suffix 000123F for example, rather than a prefix. However, they did also manufacture M85 target rifles stamped 01234C and also on occasions left off the F at the end.....

    Eventually G was stamped for the C3A1 contract ie 00123G but this rational came towards the end of the company!!

    There are Pro Stalkers in .243, with everyone, just stamped with three numbers, and PH Africans with five numbers....so it is a little crazy to say the least.

    Bill Smallwood and I have spent many hours trying to see or agree reason here, but clearly its a waste of time. Not sure what Roger Hale was thinking, or perhaps as we have tended to agree, once they stamped down a "wrong" road and he made mistakes or erroros of judgement, he just left it and soldiered on it would appear.
    Thankfully there are no two rifles out there with the same numbers
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    Well one thing we can all agree on Gil is that they are an accurate platform I have had no problems wasting crows & bunnies up to 350 meters+ with my P H 1200 Safari Grade 22/250 as long as you head shoot the rabbits the 55gn Seirra Blitz Kings pretty much removes it for you..........

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    As someone that was trusted with copying the records for prosterity, I often wondered what will be said in another 100 years about these numbers. I have tried to place everthing in a sequential order, but you can now see from my examples above........it is really impossible!!
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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