Owen Bayonet

[browningautorifle]

The other's also a shortened blade. It's just thicker and sharpened so it looks different. This one's a bit crudely done...mine was cut completely differently from both of these.

[Flying10uk]

They also have this shortened 1907 bayonet for sale.

WILKINSON 1942 SMLE No.6 KNIFE BAYONET | Spandau Militaria Shop

I have no idea what style of point this one is supposed to be fashioned to ???

[Peter Laidler]

Where do they get 'em from.........? The authors of such total guff I mean.....

[Flying10uk]

Perhaps the "armourer" doing the conversion had some sort of accident or mishap with the angle grinder during the conversion process resulting in the rare specimen that we have here?

[porterkids]

I've been studying and collecting bayonets for 49 years. I've learned a few things along the way, one of the most important being that just because I haven't seen something before it doesn't mean it's incorrect. Don't be so quick to dismiss or put down something that you don't have any knowledge of.

The cut down P1907 with the funky tip is not one of a kind. There have been a number of these floating around over the years. Kiesling shows an example in his book and he identifies it as South African, but many question the validity of that identification. But the fact of the matter is that these exist, they are all very similar in design, and they are not something that someone made when they had a mishap with a grinder. Please educate yourself or ask for advise from others before making statements that others might take as factual.

[Peter Laidler]

I only ever argue or disagree with porter kids after a great deal of thought and trepidation and I'm sure he knows, agrees and appreciates that. So I most and sincerely and respectfully respond with my answer answer. But the fact is that for the No1 types that have been chopped and ground, there's absolutely no way that a buyer or owner can know whether it's a 'real' chop-and-grind or not - beyond the fact that once it was a 'real No1 bayonet! And furthermore, there's EVERY reason for dodgy dealer who owns a broken No1 bayonet (the easiest way is to use it as a poker, harden it and then snap an inch from the tip!!!) to lie like a cheap watch and tell you that it's an official Indian conversion - or worse, an Australian Owen. That should be a clue...... '.....it's an Indian conversion...' where no records are available to see. ONLY HEARSAY OR PLAGIARISM repeated time after time after time.

I admit that I am not a metallurgist but my metallurgy knowledge and knowledge of bayonets generally PLUS a good dose of what my mum used to call 'the bleedin obvious....' and experience tells me that when you reduce the end elevation of the tip of a bayonet - the pointy end that is the principal working edge of the blade in this instance, it's doomed to failure. It could NEVER pass the first day of the trials that they're subject to. How do I know about this. I saw the killing trials our 'new' AR15 bayonets (and rifles of course) were subject to against sheep and goat carcasses. Where are you when I need you to confirm these trials the Late Major Maurice F.......?

Nope. You can be lulled into buying a chop-and-grind No1 if you want to by some smoooooooth talking glib oil tongued salesman with everything to gain - especially your hard earned dosh. But you're being sold a pup. Just my opinion of course, based on nothing more than the bleedin obvious, experience and nuffink else!

[Flying10uk]

Don't be so quick to dismiss or put down something that you don't have any knowledge of.

Post 24 was intended to be taken in jest, this should be obvious, and was in response to Peter's post 23.

You claim that I have no knowledge of something without knowing anything about me. If something is made from metal then I probably have a least some knowledge of it. This is because I have worked in the metalworking industry, full time and at the coal face, since the age of 16.

Have you not noticed that the blades appear to have recently had some sort of heavy (abrasive?) cleaning done to them?