South Korea and Philippine Garands .... Any M1 Carbines?

[painter777]

Just seems odd.... The same total of 86,000.. From both South Korea and the Philippines.

Might 86,000 be part of some kind of Federal limit law?
As to protect Commercial US Arms makers from a flooded market?
I don't get it.....

CH-P777

[Bruce McAskill]

Remember that many thousands of M1's and carbines already came into the US from South Korea in the 80's. So add them to the total they are trying to get back here. And I think the Korean total was 89,000.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Stacked somewhere for this length of time in who knows what climate conditions make me question the quality of what may come back. If this comes to be, I would think they will do something like Blue Skys did in the late 80's. Repark to hide issues. Still, there might be a some rare marked parts worth the cost. But again, has anyone read about a cost? Certainly not the $89 each delivered I paid when I bought from RSR back in 1988-90.

[painter777]

Article is dated 2-18-2017

From the article:

... quandary that’s given the State Department fits since 2009: What to do with almost a million vintage, American-made M1 Garand and Carbine rifles now moldering in the arsenals of their custodian, South Korea.

During the Cold War, the U.S. provided hundreds of thousands of M1 rifles to South Korea, which used them for 50 years before deciding to upgrade. To defray this cost, the Korean government wants to sell the M1s to American citizens. This involves not a little bit of chutzpah on the part of the Koreans, considering that most, if not all of the rifles, were gifts from America.

In 2011, the State Department reportedly began negotiations to import 86,000 South Korea–held Garands — but not the carbines, which can accept a bigger magazine — and the Korean press announced this as a done deal.

If there, It should be our decision whether they hit the scrap pile.
Pretty Ballsy of the South Koreans to offer to SELL these back as we spend big bucks setting up the THAAD Anti Missile systems..etc

JMT
Charlie-Painter777

[BruceHMX]

Charlie if I remember correctly the Korean's received a bunch via a Lend Lease type system. Then they also bought a bunch after the war to replenish weapons lost during the war. The US and Koreans did not keep good records of what was given and bought. Hence the only way we get them back is to buy them all. Now I might be wrong but I seem to recall that story. I like you and others feel the same way they should just give them all back. But then the legal types who do not them back anyway have cried that that would be against the lending agreements. Catch 22 made up to jam up folks like us. Just my .02

[INLAND44]

How about the ones that lie on an island 90 miles from Miami? We pumped Cuba full of guns when Battista was fighting Castro. As far as I know they're still there. Probably not in great shape...

[Brian Dick]

Retransfer authorizations are required on ALL U.S. military Curio & Relic firearms before import back to the USA. During the process, weapons are researched by U.S. Department of State to find out if they were given as military assistance or sold outright to the recipient nations. The weapons given as military assistance are the ones that CMP brings back via the U.S. Army. The others are up for grabs for U.S. importers providing it can be proved that they were sold outright to the foreign government and not given as military assistance. I can understand that if there's poor record keeping by the recipient country, it can cause a nightmare and possible dead end for potential buyer/importers. Some of the tactics of the last administration were purely political but retransfers are being done now under the current administration. I just submitted for one a couple of weeks ago for a USA manufacture military rifle that's in the UK so we'll see how it goes. I hope common sense returns to the whole process. I haven't done one since 2009 and the last administration banned all retransfers of C&R U.S. military firearms in September 2013. These executive orders are slowly being rolled back so we'll see.

[painter777]

Battista packed up about $300,000,000 and ran for it at 3am Jan 1 1959.

Pictured is Che Guevara who according to the Castro's was 2nd in charge. This shows him on a mule with a Carbine in Cuba 1958. Che was know for many view points and skills. One skill he taught young revolutionaries was the art of Guerilla warfare.
Guevara entered Havana as a victor Jan 2 1959
Castro arrived 6 days later on Jan 8.



After resigning his Cuban positions, he moved on to fight in other Latin American uprisings.
In Oct 1967.. Guevara was captured and executed in Bolivia.
It was reported that he was shot 9 times with a M2 Carbine.

Bolivian President René Barrientos ordered that Guevara be killed. The order was relayed to the unit holding Guevara by Félix Rodríguez reportedly despite the United States government's desire that Guevara be taken to Panama for further interrogation. The executioner who volunteered to kill Guevara was Mario Terán, an alcoholic 27-year-old sergeant in the Bolivian army who had personally requested to shoot Guevara because three of his friends from B Company, all with the same first name of "Mario", had been killed in an earlier firefight several days earlier with Guevara's band of guerrillas. To make the bullet wounds appear consistent with the story that the Bolivian government planned to release to the public, Félix Rodríguez ordered Terán not to shoot Guevara in the head, but to aim carefully to make it appear that Guevara had been killed in action during a clash with the Bolivian army.





Charlie-Painter777

[WarPig1976]

That second picture would make a great t-shirt.!! Che IS the rage with all the kids today. The capitalist in me can just smell the money now.

Maybe after the Cubans quit zapping our diplomats with sound waves we can talk about what they have left as far as C&R's for the U.S firearms market?

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

The young people are degrading our past and present military efforts. So I can't figure out why they want to immortalize this terrorist. He was plain and simply a ruthless murderer. Very disgusting to me. And I ask kids when I see them wearing a Che shirt if they know who he was? They don't, disturbing to me.