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    Ross 1905 Commercial Find

    Picked up what I think is a 1905 MKII Commercial rifle. There are no military cartouches on stock or receiver. Has the bayo lug and is fully stocked. Just a SN # on left side on the barrel, not receiver. It's got a weird trigger guard looking as if it once had a "small" clip drop hole, blocked off, where it would drop out the bottom like a Styr M95.

    Really wondering why they made it with a weird bottom and a 1/4" hole down there. My trigger guard does not have the floor plate hold down in front of the trigger. "Unfortunately," thru my research, my 1905 has a commercial base, on the receiver, for a 1910 rear sight. This makes my 1905 rear sight not fold down all the way. It's also missing the "v" blade. Gotta find a 1910 sight somewhere. I've looked all over the web and can't find one.
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    Ross 1905 Commercial

    The bore is very good and should be a nice shooter. The muzzle end has a straight cut style and not a military type of crown. The stock is really nice and has no cracks in it. I used some Birchwood Casey stock sheen conditioner to clean up all the years of greasy handling. The bolt also had years of hard grease and sticking. I disassembled the bolt and cleaned everything. (That was a learning process.) Cleaned receiver and lubed everything. It really functions very smooth now.

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    You have a commercial II** target rifle. That rear sight and mounting bridge are correct for the type. Note that the rifle never had a rear sight on the barrel. Various aperture sights were used; a Mk. III sight would fit but would not be any more correct than what you have now - and probably would not be as good for range use. The II** rifles did not have the magazine cut off that other Mk. II rifles had.
    The stock is Italianicon walnut. If you disassemble the rifle you will probably find traces of the soot that was used as a transfer agent when the rifle was hand assembled.
    If the bore is decent, the rifle should shoot really well.

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    Problem is that I don't have a "V" blade on the slider. Kinda irritating that the ladder won't lay flat. I "could" mill off the top of the sight base and all would be good but then it would be modified for the 1905 sight only. Possible to make a "V" blade and affix it to the slider also. Still rather have a 1910 sight to fit base.

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    Should be easy enough to get a Mk. III rear sight. If you could find a BSA Martin, that would be vastly superior.
    Why do you want a "V" aperture for the rear sight? They don't work well that close to the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    Should be easy enough to get a Mk. III rear sight. If you could find a BSA Martin, that would be vastly superior.
    Why do you want a "V" aperture for the rear sight? They don't work well that close to the eye.
    I guess to make the sight a "complete" and proper sight. I'll look into a Martin sight. I do have a spare 1903-A3 sight that would mod up pretty good.


    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    Should be easy enough to get a Mk. III rear sight. If you could find a BSA Martin, that would be vastly superior.
    Why do you want a "V" aperture for the rear sight? They don't work well that close to the eye.
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    You photo is a bit blurred, but I think that the sight on your rifle is a Pilblad Mk. V sight. Fine elevation and windage adjustments. It never had a V notch battle sight. There should be a notch just above the aperture; the sight would always be used in the vertical position.
    A Mk. III service sight would be a direct replacement, and would require no alterations.
    If you wish to adapt a different sight, please alter the sight, not the rifle. You have a fine, not very common target rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiriaq View Post
    A Mk. III service sight would be a direct replacement, and would require no alterations.
    If you wish to adapt a different sight, please alter the sight, not the rifle. You have a fine, not very common target rifle.
    Good advice and I won't alter the base. Your correct about the notch above the aperture. Don't know how to read the sight though. The numbers are so small, my old eyes, and I don't see a pointer where the adjustment should be. Seems though that a v that high was made for long range targets. I probably don't shoot anything further than a hundred yards. Thanks
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    Studied more photos. Some Pilblad sights had a battle sight v notch on the crossbar above the aperture plate. Thing with Rosses is that there are many, many variations. It has been said that Sir Charles never made the same rifle twice.
    The calibrations on the right vertical are ranges in yards; on the left, minutes of angle.
    If you zero at 100y, make a note of the minutes setting on the left side. There should be a reference mark on the aperture plate. The right calibrations in yards may be useful starting points, but that is about it.
    Once you have that, it is easy to add the necessary elevation for longer ranges, starting with a ballistics table in minutes of angle.
    When I shot Target Rifle, I would wear two pair of glasses. Shooting glasses plus a pair of small lens reading glasses so I could read the sight scales. I saw other shooters on the mound with a magnifying glass. There is a bit of a learning curve to using a sight with moa scales on elevation and windage.
    That rifle would have been shot in competition to at least 900 yards.

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    I had ordered "Sir Charles Ross & His Rifle" and it came in the mail today. Now I have a little 32 page study pamphlet to get a little more information from.
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