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    Maltby No4 Mk1 Questions

    Recently picked up a 1941 Maltby No4 Mk1. This is my first wartime Enfield, own a few no1's, a pair of LB mk1*'s, one No5 and a nice mk2 Faz.

    Looks like unfortunately this one isn't in original condition, the rear sight and magazine are both post war Fazakerley from as far as I can tell. Looks like the rear doesnt sit flush either, considering swapping that for an L type 2 position rear as that would be more correct as I understand. There is also a good amount of markings where a B is marked with an overlapping L, and a mix of different stock proofs. In two places on the receiver there is a "55" stamped which I find very curious.

    The brass buttplate doesnt sit flush with the stock and there is a very coarse finish to the butt. At first I thought it had been sanded but with how proud the proofs are it looks like it may have left the factory in that shape

    As I mentioned this is my first wartime rifle and its markings and features are somewhat puzzling to me. I'm disappointed with the mismatched parts, but with so many early features like the sight ears, round cocking piece, and hinged forward band along with the very bright and crisp bore its certainly not invaluable.

    If any of you could shed some light as to its current configuration, how it ended up with Faz parts (I'm suspected that occurred after it left Britishicon hands) or what the various proofs signify I'd appreciate it. Cheers!

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    I'll bet this rifle was restored from a sporter. It's an ROF and had various parts, and the finish is perfect...looks like a refinish. The butt looks like it's been cut square for a recoil pad and then had a buttplate placed back because it was matching the wood. The small parts are what came to hand. The L/B markings are Longbranch in Canadaicon which is up by Toronto, not so far from you. The hinged front band was an early piece that went into obsolescence for simpler machining and stampings... The round cocking piece is early and also changed. Maybe you could show us a couple of overall pics that aren't quite so close...?
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    The Sykes Ltd (SL) is later war walnut woodwork, & being of UKicon mfr during 1941 it would almost certainly have left the factory originally wearing beech woodwork. It's still a pretty rifle, all the same.

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    I also have a 1941 Maltby and pulled it out to compare. Mine is 4007 serial numbers off from yours at B19221 so perhaps they were rack mates. Shares the early rounded cocking piece, CEW barrel band, early sight ears but even more interesting is it also has the exact same rear sight and is F (Faz) marked. Two differences are my front band is not hinged but is CEW marked and the buttplate fits fine but is alloy. Nothing is stamped 55 on the receiver. Butt marked S.L. with normal broad arrow stamps next to trigger guard. In your 10th photo mine is identical with the S.L. very faint broad arrow and just under the broad arrow is the serial number matching stamped into the wood vertical not horizontal like most later rifles I have seen. Weather is very cloudy here today but will try and get some photos.

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    It's a typical wartime rifle that's seen the REME workshops once or twice. Be advised that Maltby used many Savage and probably Long Branch parts too that were acquired from pooled stores to produce their rifles so I' wouldn't get too hasty about switching and swapping out components for so-called "correct" manufacture parts.

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    Appreciate all the replies fellas. Here are some more pictures as requested.

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    That's better for the receiver...nice early cocking piece. Still think the butt must have had a recoil pad. Is it flat and square back there? Should be a couple of out of place screw holes too...
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    I would just echo the others, as someone fond of Maltby No4's, its always nice to see an early 41 example.

    Re the butt, as Jim said, something is definitely off there. Is the butt plate bent?

    If the Butt has been "adjusted" by an over enthusiastic owner, then replace it, plenty of No4 woodwork still about.

    First port of call for parts, should be Brian Dickicon of this Parish.

    Being the total anorak I am, I found a Maltby trigger guard and bolt head for my 1944 Maltby rebuild, so parts are out there to be found.

    That said, Faz spare component parts are by far the most commonly encountered here in the UKicon, probably due to component manufacture for the enormous post war No4 FTR program

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    The butt has not been squared off. I tried the brass butt plate on my mk2 Faz to see if it would sit flush on the Maltby butt and indeed it did. Looking at the butt plates side by side they look near identical but it seems someone may have bent the one on the Maltby in the past.

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    Very small point but I don't think that your rifle left the factory - or indeed any real Armourers workshop - with a but plate as ill fitting as that (thread 1, photo 2).

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