Late Inland - Questions ??

[USGI]

What stock would typically be found on an Inland M1 s/n 6,941,XXX as it left the factory? Were the Type 4 (long channel) stocks only used on the M2's, or were some M1's equipped with them? I got in a conversation with another collector at a recent show who also has a "hand stamped" M1 from this era (a bit earlier s/n) and he thinks the "flip" safety on his is original, where I'm thinking it's a later upgrade. My safety has the "double S" and he couldn't remember the marking on his. My gun has a mag catch with the "lug" for 30 rounders and appears to be unmarked - any comments on the mag catches? Interesting that both of our carbines have the diagonal pattern butt plates, but have read that both types could have been used until the end of production. I need to get out the books and do some studying, but thought I would cheat a bit and ask you guys! - Bob

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[M94/14]

I ran your serial #, assuming the last 3 digits XXX to be 999, and below is what i got...

Inland Barrel Type 2A Unmarked 1 - 8069660 Marked "INLAND DIVISION" and dated.
Inland Barrel Type 2B Unmarked 1 - 8069660 Marked "INLAND DIVISION" and dated. Barrels manufactured by BLC Division of GMC will be marked BI to rear of gas cylinder.
Inland Barrel Band Type 3 AI, H.I., JI, KI, SI 6300000 - 8069660
Inland Barrel Band Spring N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Bolt Type 3 OI, AI, SI 5000000 - 8069660 Round bolt.
Inland Buttplate N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Buttplate Screw N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Ejector & Spring Type 3 Unmarked 3150000 - 8069660
Inland Extractor Type 3 W-I, W.I. 260000 - 8069660
Inland Extractor Spring & Plunger Type 3 Unmarked 260000 - 8069660
Inland Firing Pin Type 3 II, NI, RI, R.I., SI 4900000 - 8069660 May also be marked FF.
Inland Front Sight Type 1 Unmarked, N, R, SI 1 - 8069660
Inland Front Sight Key N/A I-I, LI, P.I., SI 1 - 8069660
Inland Front Sight Pin N/A I-I, LI, P.I., SI 1 - 8069660
Inland Gas Piston N/A I-I, LI, P.I., SI 1 - 8069660
Inland Gas Piston Nut Type 2 Unmarked 800000 - 8069660
Inland Hammer Type 4 I-I 6900000 - 8069660
Inland Hammer Pin N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Hammer Plunger N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Hammer Spring Type 2 Unmarked 950000 - 8069660
Inland Handguard Type 3 HI, OI 5500000 - 8069660
Inland M.C. / Safety Spring & Plunger Type 2 Unmarked 5400000 - 8069660
Inland Magazine Catch Type 3 EI, HI, SI, WI 4880000 - 7099999
Inland Operating Slide Type 6 Underlined PI w/Part # 6850000 - 8069660
Inland Operating Slide Spring N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Operating Slide Stop Type 2 Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Operating Slide Stop Type 3 Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Operating Slide Stop Spring N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Rear Sight Type 3 JAO, I.R.Co. 6220000 - 8069660
Inland Receiver N/A N/A 1 - 8069660
Inland Recoil Plate Type 3 BI, DI, PI, WI 530000 - 8069660
Inland Recoil Plate Escutcheon Nut N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660 Early production.
Inland Recoil Plate Escutcheon Nut Type 2 Unmarked 1 - 8069660 Late production.
Inland Recoil Plate Screw N/A Unmarked 1 - 8069660
Inland Safety Type 3 Unmarked 3000000 - 7099999
Inland Sear Type 3 HI, RI 6850000 - 8069660
Inland Sear Spring Type 2 Unmarked 90000 - 8069660
Inland Stock Type 4 HI, OI 6900000 - 7199999
Inland Trigger Type 2 FI, RI a, RHI, RI 120000 - 8069660
Inland Trigger Housing Pin Type 2 Unmarked 260000 - 8069660
Inland Trigger Spring Type 2 Unmarked 1 - 8069660

[USGI]

I ran your serial #, assuming the last 3 digits XXX to be 999, and below is what i got...

Thanks Jakester, but I see some questionable and misleading information there along with the good. - Bob

[deldriver]

Inland did use M2 parts on their M1 carbines, as did Winchester too. Is the type 4 stock you have a potbelly or not? I have a 6.97 Inland that has a non-potbelly stock with a selector switch cut. I have seen a Carbine Club Carbine of the Month with the identical stock on it, with nearly the same late 6 million serial number. As far as the flip safety goes, it's possible, but I'd expect a flip safety a bit later in Inland's serial range.

[USGI]

Inland did use M2 parts on their M1 carbines, as did Winchester too. Is the type 4 stock you have a potbelly or not? I have a 6.97 Inland that has a non-potbelly stock with a selector switch cut. I have seen a Carbine Club Carbine of the Month with the identical stock on it, with nearly the same late 6 million serial number. As far as the flip safety goes, it's possible, but I'd expect a flip safety a bit later in Inland's serial range.

I see now that I have a typo on my s/n - should be 6,941,XXX. My stock is a Type 5 SA along with an unmarked 4 rivet handguard. I had the action out of the stock before I bought it, and the only things I figured weren't original were the safety, mag catch, the wood, and maybe the buttplate. The barrel date is 2-45. Bought it in 2016 and still haven't done a data sheet on that one yet (plus 3 others) - must be getting old! - Bob

[painter777]

6,941,XXX

things I figured weren't original were the safety, mag catch,

The barrel date is 2-45

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=11087

From Buford:
'War Baby says they began mid '44 throught the end of production. Starting almost a year earlier. Just wondering about what serial numbers these safteys first showed up? And for that matter, when did the late type 4 mag catches show up?'

From BQ:
"The 1944 date printed in War Baby! is an error. The type IV safety was standardized in March 1945 followed by the type IV magazine catch in April 1945. For Inland carbines you're probably looking at anything assembled 30 - 45 days after the standardization date could possibly have been assembled with the latest part type. For Winchester you'll find both items at the start of their six million block for reasons I won't get into here."

Bob,
I'd think we'd be safe to figure that on Inlands, barrels should date late May of 45 and beyond..... 5-45, 6-45, etc. To consider Type IV Safeties and Mag Catches possibly Original Issue.

Charlie-Painter777

[painter777]

Inland that has a non-potbelly stock with a selector switch cut.

I've had a few of these, all having the long barrel channel.
It's like they started out making the stock for M2 use........ but stopped after the factory side cut.... then sent it over and completed it as a regular Type IV stock, for a M1.
IIRC. the bridge was still intact, just had the side cut.

I currently have a couple Type IV WRA stocks with the complete internal cuts for M2...... NO pot belly.

CH-P777

[painter777]

Gee Bob,
I've been flipping pages to help but now your SA information blows that boat out of the water...

I'll go ahead and submit this,,,, maybe it will help someone.
At about 6 million Inland and WRA went to a long barrel channel stock. Looked exactly like a Type III lo-wood just having the extra (4.15") channel verses the original 3.15" long channel. I can't say that Inland had it, but WRA added the Recoil plate support/under cut at this time. These I call the Type IV.... long barrel channel, NO M2 cuts of any type.

I have an original WRA 5,811,227 that records show had the serial number stamped on Oct 10- 1944. No way to know when it was accepted, but it has a WRA Type IV stock with long barrel channel, Recoil Plate support cut and no M2 modifications.

When I've handled these Type IV stocks feel thicker on the forearm, though not really visible.

Then as M2 stocks were needed (Ordnance considered them Critical at the time). As needed, Any previous stock could/would be modified to accept the internal M2 parts.

M2 stocks: As they became available, There were 2 versions of these made.... 1 having more of a pronounced 'Potbelly' than the other.

Recoil Plate Support Ledge:



M2 Stocks:
This picture has a early style on top. M marked slingwell. Flat bottom profile common to this particular maker.
2nd style below, showing a more pronounced bottom profile, a HI stock.



War Baby page 352:
Safety, Type B (T1 Rotary)
E.I. or H.I.
Late 44 to End of Production.

Is S S Seymour Smith?
If so they were a supplier to Inland. I'm just not sure if they supplied Inland with Rotary Safeties. Inland did have Safeties integrated from other makers.
Maybe receiving some S&S Safeties from another Prime maker ????
Being this late in production.. I'd think everyone was ready to empty their shelves.

Cheers Buddy
Charlie-Painter777

[USGI]

I've been flipping pages to help but now your SA information blows that boat out of the water...

Ok, sorry about throwing you a curve. I was trying to hide that it has an SA - also the 4 rivet HG has the brass tone to the rivet heads that I believe Bruce cleared up for me on a 5.4 Inland I got a few years back. My understanding is those handguards are commercial, but I've seen several in the past few years and seem to usually match the stocks they were with very well. I was confused and misunderstood about the long channel stocks being Type 3's. Thought they were type 4's with and without the M2 selector cut, and both without the bridge - don't know where I got that idea? Sounds like a long channel Type III would be right for mine - still have not encountered one! I think I have a really nice short channel Type 3 but with a circled P on the grip. It seems unlikely that Inland would have been putting Type 4's on M1's - correct? I just need to get back into the books that I have, and spend more time. You guys are great and much appreciated! - Bob

[USGI]

Is S S Seymour Smith?
If so they were a supplier to Inland. I'm just not sure if they supplied Inland with Rotary Safeties. Inland did have Safeties integrated from other makers.
Maybe receiving some S&S Safeties from another Prime maker ????

Seems like I remember a past thread about an "over-stamped" Rotary Safety. In that thread or a similar one, it was mentioned that Seymour Smith supplied those with the SS marking. I think the question was whether SS was overstamped with HI, or the other way around? Did some reading (back and forth) between WarBaby and WarBaby III last night - and my head still hurts! My Inland is starting to look "pretty good" in that SA stock! - Bob