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    PARAS & ROYAL MARINES TO MERGE??

    Clearly thoughts from people who have no idea of the specific roles each unit plays:

    Reports Of Plans To Merge Paras And Marines
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    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Good grief, I bet you had to count to 10 when you saw that Gil!

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    Well John............when you work out most of the Destroyer fleet is sick and in docks, aircraft carriers leaking and no planes to go on them, the Navy will need someone to dance with on a Friday and Saturday night onboard to bring morale back up..............and it ain't going to be Paratroopers
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Well John............when you work out most of the Destroyer fleet is sick and in docks, aircraft carriers leaking and no planes to go on them, the Navy will need someone to dance with on a Friday and Saturday night onboard to bring morale back up..............and it ain't going to be Paratroopers
    Well that's had me laughing all afternoon Gil ..... Joking aside, when will this endless round of cuts stop, its depressing and it must be crushing for moral, bloody Politicians and the civil service bean counters...

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    You are right there Ron,
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    Can just see it now on the field Para's - "Well its not our lot to do that " Marines - "Well we do boats planes scare us" only as a fo par guys but each service has its specialties obviously a bean counter has crunched the numbers.
    Cost cutting the armed services what a pack of horse $hite a country needs an at strength armed services to protect the nation interests no matter where.

    When you reduce that service you reduce the freedom why don't they thin out the bean counters and leave the soldiering to the soldiers as thats what they do for us.
    Sadly our armed services are constantly on the back foot having to scrimp to make do making do will not cut it when the $hit hits the fan because even as a militia John Howard has ensured we are as weak kneed as a Kangaroo without a tail.....!!!!
    Its frustrating as hell....

    As a question do bean counters get issued a weapon and told the enemy is in that direction go and sort them out! Just a question?
    You are right there Ron, I must say though, I always thought the Australians invested quite well in defence, a generally well thought out and balanced procurement plan across all three services, or am I reading it wrong mate?

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    Can just see it now on the field Para's - "Well its not our lot to do that " Marines - "Well we do boats planes scare us" only as a fo par guys but each service has its specialties obviously a bean counter has crunched the numbers.
    Cost cutting the armed services what a pack of horse $hite a country needs an at strength armed services to protect the nation interests no matter where.

    When you reduce that service you reduce the freedom why don't they thin out the bean counters and leave the soldiering to the soldiers as thats what they do for us.
    Sadly our armed services are constantly on the back foot having to scrimp to make do making do will not cut it when the $hit hits the fan because even as a militia John Howard has ensured we are as weak kneed as a Kangaroo without a tail.....!!!!
    Its frustrating as hell....

    As a question do bean counters get issued a weapon and told the enemy is in that direction go and sort them out! Just a question?
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    How does one merge an Army unit with a Naval unit? Who resigns their commission and joins who? Who's rank insignia gets used?
    CF tried amalgamating the Services(instigated by our current PM's communist rat offspring of unmarried parents daddy.) starting in 1968. All Services are back to their traditional ranks, uniform colours and insignia.
    "..."Well we do boats. Planes scare us"..." Can't imagine a Real Marine being scared of a wee airplane. Or much of anything else.
    "...constantly on the back foot..." Nothing new about that.
    Isn't the first time units have been amalgamated either. The Blues and Royals were The Royal Horse Guards and The Royal Dragoons were two units before 1969. And both Harry and Willy are former officers there.
    The whole thing is pure media hack speculation anyway.
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    The Govt says 'Jobs for Australians' yet our new subs are being built off shore - we as an island surrounded by sea do not posses an aircraft carrier for fixed wing aircraft even though we have aircraft that can use one, I think our newest one uses choppers a chopper is ok if your hunting a sub I guess.
    An article on the M1A1icon MBT ~ why can't Aus buy the current model as we are with the Strike Fighter its a bit sad if your sending your PBI in without adequate support.
    https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...0-jOrmMamTxFtq

    I view all the statements made on defense spending by any Govt past/present or future as circumspect they love taking our taxes but the disparity is perks verses equipment......the soldier deserves the very best of everything a country can give him/her as they are the ones putting themselves in harms way give them the best chance of eliminating the enemy and coming home to their loved ones again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    ... we as an island surrounded by sea do not posses an aircraft carrier for fixed wing aircraft even though we have aircraft that can use one, I think our newest one uses choppers a chopper is ok if your hunting a sub I guess.
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    I view all the statements made on defense spending by any Govt past/present or future as circumspect they love taking our taxes but the disparity is perks verses equipment......the soldier deserves the very best of everything a country can give him/her as they are the ones putting themselves in harms way give them the best chance of eliminating the enemy and coming home to their loved ones again.
    Mate, my eldest granddaughter's husband was an engineering officer in HMAS CANBERRA. He told me that the flight deck isn't strong enough for the weight (and landing force) anything but helicopters. That means that helicopter gunships with their limited linger, range and capability would the only close air support an opposed landing could expect if the ship was operating independently and beyond the range of land based RAAF close air support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul S. View Post
    Mate, my eldest granddaughter's husband was an engineering officer in HMAS CANBERRA. He told me that the flight deck isn't strong enough for the weight (and landing force) anything but helicopters. That means that helicopter gunships with their limited linger, range and capability would the only close air support an opposed landing could expect if the ship was operating independently and beyond the range of land based RAAF close air support.
    Paul, if that's right, then that is outrageous and and a scandalous waste of Australianicon taxpayers money.

    Canberra and her sister have been built with ski jumps (not bolted to the flight deck, but part of the intrinsic design) to enable them to operate F35B's, the jump serves no other purpose.

    Should Australia procure a number of B models, then Canberra and her sister would be very useful and capable light multi roll aircraft carriers.

    As Ron quite rightly says, Australia is an Island nation.

    Like the UKicon its entirety dependent on its main line of supply, ie the sea.

    After a very long wait, the UK has finally woken up to the need to operate Aircraft Carriers again and is in the process of commissioning two 70,000 ton vessels.

    The UK has decimated its conventional defences to fight the War on terror, a grave mistake and one that will one day bite us on the arse.

    If I was a US taxpayer, I would be very unhappy at having to guarantee and fund Defence for the entire Western world!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    Paul, if that's right, then that is outrageous and and a scandalous waste of Australianicon taxpayers money.

    Canberra and her sister have been built with ski jumps (not bolted to the flight deck, but part of the intrinsic design) to enable them to operate F35B's, the jump serves no other purpose.

    Should Australia procure a number of B models, then Canberra and her sister would be very useful and capable light multi roll aircraft carriers.

    As Ron quite rightly says, Australia is an Island nation.

    Like the UKicon its entirety dependent on its main line of supply, ie the sea.

    After a very long wait, the UK has finally woken up to the need to operate Aircraft Carriers again and is in the process of commissioning two 70,000 ton vessels.

    The UK has decimated its conventional defences to fight the War on terror, a grave mistake and one that will one day bite us on the arse.

    If I was a US taxpayer, I would be very unhappy at having to guarantee and fund Defence for the entire Western world!

    I fully agree on all points.

    Re: CANBERRA and the F35s - I sent my grandson in law video of the F35 carrier tests when he was first posted aboard CANBERRA knowing that her flight deck had a 'jump jet ramp'. The ship was still going through her post commissioning work-ups and certifications at the time. That was when he told me she wasn't fixed wing (F35, etc.) capable because the deck wasn't strong enough. My immediate thought was, 'Well that's f*cking great isn't it?' Yeah, it's great having a ship that can deliver and amphibious force, but it's a lot better if the ship can defend and support the ashore force. Basically, it rules out anything operating independently of land based or carrier borne aircraft if the operating against a significant opposing force.

    But then, I'm not the bloke at the top of the pile in the ACT who makes the decisions and signs the cheques.

    Mind you, CANBERRA performed sterling duty when she went up to Fiji after the cyclone went through.
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