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    Who did the FTR?

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    Must confess my ignorance here of Canadianicon FTR marking techniques. If they did engrave rifles in similar fashion to the UKicon then I suppose LB could be a candidate (with the 6 groove tube & what looks suspiciously like it could be a LB forend). Failing that I would have leant towards BSA. I've seen not many, but have seen a few rifles FTR marked in a similar style as that shown in the post, originating from Birmingham Small Arms Ltd.
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    I have a 1942 Long Branch with a six grooved barrel.

    Roger, the rifles FTR'd by BSA don't all have the new S.N. prefixed by the letter A?

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    TBH I can't remember Giancarlo, but the majority were SMLE's rather than No4's anyway.

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    My guess is it's an early BSA FTR as Roger suggests but I could be wrong. Canadianicon FTR rifles weren't marked as such and it sports what looks like worn Suncorite paint finish over phosphate which is also not correct for Canadian rebuilds. They were nicely Parkerized only. BSA changed the markings on SMLE and No.4 rebuilds later with the FTR and date marked further forward on the left side of the body. What manufacture is the six groove barrel?

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    There are few markings on the barrel with nothing definitive as to maker. No serial no. or date on bbl. Small light marked crown over fuzzy letters ??? I feel better now as you all are curious about this rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giove View Post
    I have a 1942 Long Branch with a six grooved barrel.

    Roger, the rifles FTR'd by BSA don't all have the new S.N. prefixed by the letter A?
    Giove: I have a '43 with 6-groove barrel but it is clearly marked as Canadianicon and installed in the 50's. The twist direction would tell you if it is Long Branch or Savage. My only Savage 6-groove barrel has virtually no markings on it. I wonder if Savage provided spare barrels that might have been used by other factories at refurb? BreakyP: I'm thinking you're after this rifle for the forend?

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    Paul, have you taken the woodwork off yet? At least we may know for certain then if it was made by Faz as i believe they were the only factory that made bodies with asymmetrically shaped draws.

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    Sun light helped bring out markings.

    Butt Stock markings: FR (faint) and maker J. C. / 122
    Fore stock metal nose cap: M.B. 13
    Front handguard: c.c.m (canada)
    Rear handguard: none all wood walnut

    Trigger guard: broad arrow M/16 ??? fuzzy
    Trigger: F
    Front sight ears: no markings.
    Magazine Britishicon mfg numbered to gun
    Stock band for sling swivel: LB (Canadianicon)
    Safety: M/47C
    Rear sight: F
    Barrel: crown/N/6, crown/ 22/N Partial C on barrel flat. Rifling twist is counter clockwise viewed from the chamber. Serial number electro penciled on left side of barrel below wood line.
    Any more details would be reduced to fibbing.
    I still don't know who did the FTR.
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    "...Six groove unmarked barrel..." Wasn't a war time production thing. Discussed on these pages in 2013. Supposedly only early Savage Mk I's had 6 groove barrels. Unmarked is odd though. Long branch made 'em well after the war. I think most were 5 groove though.
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