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    Bottom one, very nice. Yes, the others make sense too. The sort of thing troops have done by the unit welder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Gil, those are our weapons...that's how we carried them from beginning to end. That's standard. Later pattern wood too, the early had vent holes. The serial number on the C2 is interesting, not an issue number at all and the BBC is welded in place. This must have been a seizure from somewhere and given to the museum or the Regiments. It has an SMG sling on it too by the looks... Been a few years since I've been there myself...
    The serial appears to be 202WD #2. My guess is it would be either assembled or deactivated at 202 workshop for issue to the museum. The sling looks too wide for a SMG...looks more like someone stuck a bren clip on the end of a FN sling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunray View Post
    "...lost a fight with a Mig welder..." Everything in every CF museum is welded shut or otherwise 100% deactivated. Knew a guy who loaned the Borden museum a fully operational .40mm Bofors gun, they promptly welded shut. never did find out how it worked out, but he was getting ready to sue 'em.
    The C2 used any FAL mag. Supposed to be one of it's 'charms'. Don't recall ever seeing anything but a 20 though. PBI units maybe.
    That is not true, and contrary to the CF museum manual which states that small arms shall not be altered. I work for a CF museum, and while some sacrilege has been performed on some of the firearms, for the most part, our weapons are unaltered. I did see an anomoly to this when we recently ordered another SMG C1 and received a solidly welded up example.
    A few years ago we got in a C1 105mm howitzer. It went through base maintenance first for pre-issue checks, and they started welding it up. Our artifacts manager went over with the manual and they had to un-do their welds. When it comes to the larger stuff, it can be issued as an artifact or as a monument. Artifact is un-altered, monument has every moving part including the wheel nuts welded in place.
    Saw plenty of 30 round magazines in service for the C2. Not uncommon at all.

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    Thanks for the info, I believe museums open to the general public here in the UKicon have to deactivate all Arms to the the current standard.

    Even trophy firearms in various bases have to be deactivated to EU standard and be certificated. Only official restricted collections, like the Royal Armouries, Warminster etc, can have live firearms with the accompanying and nessasary vetting and security measures for anyone wishing access.
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    John,
    Certainly true at our museum, everything deactivated and certificated to the current specs.
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    I thought museums had a special exemption from this deact stuff in law along with their museum status regarding firearms generally?

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    Peter,
    Sadly not, they still have to be "belt and braces" certificated in case of theft
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Ridiculous Gil, talk about a nanny state. Does this mean you will need to rework and re certificate your museum inventory at considerable expense?

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    John,
    Thats the heart break, and why I am the fundraising Trustee. The costs of running a museum inside the Imperial War Museum wire, are not cheap.
    Everything has to go through their cleaning and rendering service to ensure there is no cross contamination, especially where uniforms and clothing are concerned, so yes its a non stop money pit unfortunately.
    To see some of the weapons seized in yesteryear by PARA Operations deativated to this level is criminal. They are basically now just show pieces behind glass. It doesn't look much from this photo, but it is a 360 degree way of looking at a large number of weapons............cleaning the inside of the glass is a real pain which we did a few weeks ago now.
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    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Its crazy Gil, it must be one hell of a struggle in this day and age.

    Working within the layers of ever more complex and expensive legislation..
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    John,
    Absolutely right, and one reason why, when this book SNIPERS DOWN SOUTH is finished, every penny will go to our Parachute Regiment Museum.
    I am also working other major fundraising events alongside that.



    Incidently on page 100 of this A4 hard backed book, full of unheard of stories from the snipers themselves in all the Regiments who went south to reclaim the Falkland Islands in 1982!
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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