Oiler retainer???

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

This is something I haven't come across before, comments.

Original M1 Carbine Oiler Retainer for Stock | eBay

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[USGI]

Jim, I think I found mention of these in War Baby awhile back. Almost seems like it was in the descriptions or pictures covering all the ways used of preserving and "canning" of the Carbines after the War. Doubt I could find it again now! - Bob

[new2brass]

War baby shows it from a dealers table claiming to be for a M1a1 which will not work.

See last post

Quiz2 - The Carbine Collector's Club

I have heard a few say they came in on bavarian returns and CMP was removing and tossing in trash. I do not believe thses are USGI as stated in description

I would like one for my collection, but not at that price.

[USGI]

Jim, Check the War Baby series pages 539-540. I believe the answer is shown there. I see a "mix-up" in the captions though, and can't find corrections for them in the latest book. - Bob

[painter777]

War baby shows it from a dealers table claiming to be for a M1a1 which will not work.

See last post

Quiz2 - The Carbine Collector's Club

I have heard a few say they came in on bavarian returns and CMP was removing and tossing in trash. I do not believe thses are USGI as stated in description

I would like one for my collection, but not at that price.

All those replies and not one THANKS...... Jeeezzeee No Participation for all Trophies either I'd guess :-)

[RWS67]

I read someware that these were used on the M1A1 to stop the oiler from rattling when the leather of the cheek pad softened up

[new2brass]

I read someware that these were used on the M1A1 to stop the oiler from rattling when the leather of the cheek pad softened up

Again that was the word from someone displaying the item and is shown in WB page 578. Books on the topic are printed with what was thought to be correct at the time of printing. You have to give Larry credit for all the corrections in WB3.
If you look at WB3 page 1297 it says it will not fit the M1a1 carbine and its purpose is unknown.*

The link above I had posted a picture showing why it would not fit a M1a1. (shown now below)



Look at the white square and how it would interfere with red diamond. Also white bracket area would hit where the arrows are
The post was originally a quiz and part of the first post was not fully exposed until you made a reply post, At which time a picture was displayed showing it in use on a regular stock.







Looking at CCNLs 222-4 and 223-4 these were reported in 1998* on stocks coming out of Aniston Depot. Many of these stocks with the oiler keepers had German Army tags according to the newsletters.
How that information did not get into WB3 must have been oversight.

Several Carbine Club members that were volunteering at the CMP at the time the "Bavarians" came in. At least one of those members told me that they were pulling the oilers out and tossing the clips.

[USGI]

So, has the CCNL's ever discussed the oiler retainers used in the "canning" program referenced in 'War Baby Comes Home' pp. 539-540? Or, are they something different? - Bob

[RASelkirk]

Looks like a handy way to keep the oiler with the rifle if you don't use a sling...

Russ

[new2brass]

Bob, There was what I believe to be a trade magazine that published an article about the canning a short time after it happened. The newsletters published some articles based on that information in the 80's. Later Larry Ruth had submitted some more information that I believe he obtained from the Springfield Armory and/or Ordnance files.
If you look at the first few refinements the slings and oilers were either on the stock with sling or in a container attached to the bottom of the rack. The picture in WB shows the parts laid out with mention of clips. I think the newsletter and WB differ on what pictures are shown with the for that setup in the rack.
In WB3 there is a set of pictures that should have been on that page in WB2.
The newsletter and as far as I can see WB do not address the clips other then the caption under the photo. The same caption is used on the next page.
Looking at the pictures in WB it appears that the clips shown might be rectangular shaped or a box, there appears to be a distinct bend in the clip. The one on auction as those I posted above have a soft curve.

I guess until someone comes across a can of carbines or more photos surface we will not know what those clips truly look like or how they were used