Scotti P. 14 (or P. 13?)

[Melanie_Daniels]

For trials in the 1930 (about 1936 to 1938) some P. 14 rifles were modified to Scotti rifles. The only photo I could find. was this. For my book about the P 14 rifles I am lokking for more and better photos from this rifle. Can annyone help?

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[breakeyp]

Will your book include the US Model 1917?

Do you have pictures on the Indian conversion to .22 rf? Cutaways? Vietnam bringback 1917 with native made stock and full Vietnamese export paperwork? P14 with modified barrels for machinegun cartridge testing? The snipers?

[Melanie_Daniels]

Including the Model of 1917 is the plan.

I have pictures from from the snipers (Warner & Swasey, Periscopic Prism, Winchester A5 and Alex Martin), several cutaways of P. 14 (Winchester) and M 1917, Danish and Norwegiam modifications of the M1917 and some .22 Conversions (but none of the Indian made, and most pictures of the conversions are not very good). From the Vietnam M1917 In don`t have pictures, so they would be interesting. Also I am interested in all pictures and informations about experimental rifles and bayonets.

[Promo]

To me it appears as if the rear sight was the P.14 rear sight. The P.13 had a dished peep hole and is shorter.

I once did a comparison between P.13 and P.14, it shows the difference in the rear sights. Here is it:


PS: your rifle reminds me of ... well, see the attachment. This however is without doubt P.13 based

PPS: If you need it, I can provide pictures of my Danish M/60 conversion of the M1917 to .22lr. And I have an odd P.14 sniper conversion (click this to see the thread with pictures of it).

[RCS]

Most interesting is the Model 1917 with the Pedersen conversion. Also the Belgium conversions to 7,92x57mm during the late 20's early 30's

[Melanie_Daniels]

To me it appears as if the rear sight was the P.14 rear sight. The P.13 had a dished peep hole and is shorter.

I once did a comparison between P.13 and P.14, it shows the difference in the rear sights. Here is it:
http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...lepromo/13.jpg

PS: your rifle reminds me of ... well, see the attachment. This however is without doubt P.13 based

PPS: If you need it, I can provide pictures of my Danish M/60 conversion of the M1917 to .22lr. And I have an odd P.14 sniper conversion (click this to see the thread with pictures of it).

The sniper seems to be one I got a (very short) description from the Royal Armouries. I asked the to take photographs of this weapon.

Pictures from the Danish conversion would be interestin to. Also some more photos of the Kretz rifle.

[Promo]

I do own one of the P.14/M1917 in 8x57 IS caliber, and a P.14 in the experimental 8mm rimless Caliber too. Melanie, please send me your E-Mail address via PM and I‘ll do the pictures of the Danish .22 conversion. Please also let me know what these should show (possibly with sample pictures).

Regarding the Kretz rifle, I only have two pictures - no more. Sorry! Since it still is at Royal Armouries, they however should be able to help you there.

Edit: the M1917 Mark II belongs to someone in the Remington Collectors Association - I think I have his contact details still somewhere around.

[breakeyp]

Attachment 90848Attachment 90849

Early marking Remington Pattern 1914 converted to .22 LR single shot. Markings on stock indicate Indian Arsenal usage with sold out of service marks on the receiver ring. There are no import markings or commercial proofing. Commercial proofs would have been necessary if the conversion was done in Britain. I believe the P-H receiver sight was added at a later date.

Conversion was done by drilling out the barrel and fitting a .22 liner that extends from original breech about one inch to the rear. The extended end of the liner allows easier loading of the .22 cartridge. The bolt face has been rebated 1 inch to match and fit around the extended liner. New firing pin and extractor and spring have been fitted to the bolt. The short vertical pin is present to maintain bolt extractor alignment.

I have another version where 1/2 of the receiver ring has been removed to allow insertion of the .22 cartridge into the new chamber. Parentage of this one is unknown.

[RC20]

Cool rifles and whole area unknown to a mere 1917 collector.