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    My rifle is standard length overall and barrel length. It blends in with the others in the rack.

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    Thank you. This then means my rifle once had been shortened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
    Thank you. This then means my rifle once had been shortened.
    It is possible that it might have been shortened by Soley Arms. They did alot of work trying to get the gov't to buy modified Pattern 1914s. I can't seen a private citizen shortening the barrel of a rifle that he can't get ammo for. Will your rifle take the bayonet? If it does--it comes back to Soley.

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    The front handguard and stock had been very professionally shortened and the front sight set back in exactly the same way as it looks original. Therefore a bayonet can also be fitted to the rifle.

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    Another good quirk about having the 8mm round is you could grab 8mm ammo from its previous Germanicon owners and put it to use in the BESA in the tank.....

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    The pattern room collection has a number of Soley modified weapons. It sure seems like you rifle is a Soley effort. Congratulations on a nice find.

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    Book references to subject matter

    "Britishicon Rifles" catalog of the British Pattern Room, HMSO 1981 by Herb Woodend, custodian (Ian Skennertonicon ghost writer). Catalogs four .303 rimless rifles. One in .303 rimless, two in .303/7.92mm with BSA marked barrel knoxforms. One in standard length and one with barrel and forestock shortened 3 inches. Another conversion by Solely and so marked is one in 8mm Mauser.

    "British Small Arms Ammunition 1864 ti 1938" by Peter Labbett, 1993, Armoury Press has a paragraph and a few pictures. Research underway in 1935 to improved armor penetration, a series of rimless cartridges were developed and evaluated, All were rimless based on .303 cartridge case size with different case lengths and bullet diameters.

    .303 bullet/56.5mm case length

    .303 bullet/65mm case length,

    .303/ 7.92mm with 56.5mm case length,

    .303/.276 inch using 62mm case length,

    .303/.25 inch with 62.2mm case length

    WWII cancelled further investigations.

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    Sorry, had been (and still am) in a hurry so too little time to inspect and picture my rifles in detail. So with some delay another piece from the Faris collection.

    Having compared it with a "normal" P.14 it appears that this rifle is approx. 7 to 7,5 cm (so a bit less than the suggested 3") shorter. The barrel had been milled in diameter so the rear sight could had been set back. I may need to correct also an earlier statement of myself - despite the rifle having the original bayonet lug and a barrel milled down to the required diameter, due to the shorter distance between those two the normal P.14 bayonet can't be used with this rifle.

    The very interesting thing I noticed when I, already late yesterday evening, finally did decide to take off the handguards and check for markings there. To my surprise I didn't only find the caliber marking again on the barrel, but additionally BSA manufacturers markings! So it appears that the caliber rework was done by BSA.

    Did you ever take off the rear handguard and check if yours also has BSA markings there?
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    My rifle also has a BSA barrel, with matching serial number and duplicate caliber markings. At some time in its life, the rifle stock split off the toe of the stock and was replaced with a new piece that resulted in loss of the pocket for the sling swivel base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
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    Is this the monster?
    Bears a considerable resemblance to 7.62x51mm overall though a slightly steeper taper on the main body.
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