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    luger unit markings?

    DWM 1921 markings on the grip frame front Unit markings? Any way to find out what they mean?

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    sorry I guess I double posted this Please delete the other post that the pictures do not show up

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    I would guess that it's a commercial top on a WW1 bottom. If the numbers match on the lower frame then it may have been done at the factory but I think it may have been someone who switched the tops on two lugers. Sometimes easier and cheaper then changing a barrel as at one time Lugers were a dime a dozen.

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    All numbers inside and out match on metal parts. Fire pin,safety ever number I found matched. The mag does not match. The grips have no numbers on them. One has a small h land an O on opposite ends. The other has what looks like a N. No other markings. So those are replacements I guess.

    Took it all apart tonight. Was Very dirty. Cleaned it up put some oil in it. Looks and functions well.
    I assume the markings above are police Id? I found SD but no I with it?

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    "History Writ in Steel-German Police Markings 1900-1936, Don Maus,
    Attribution:New Insights
    1. Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. 113-114 – A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Düsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively. The bases for these identifications are as follows:

    a. S.D.I is convincingly identified in the book as the Schupo command at either Essen or Düsseldorf. Upon further consideration, I believe it is more likely to be Essen as that city was the location of the headquarters of the police general responsible for the Ruhr region and probably would have been designated by the Roman numeral I. This is however a tentative identification.
    b. S.D.II is convincingly identified in the book as Wuppertal.
    c. If S.D.I was Essen, S.D.III would have been Düsseldorf. This identification must also be considered tentative.
    d. Recent information from Klaus Merzbach has confirmed that S.D.IV was Duisburg-Hamborn (C96 Rig of the Düsseldorf Sipo/Schupo).
    e. S.D.VI very probably was Oberhausen. As indicated in Appendix D, there were five large Schupo commands in the Düsseldorf district. Four of these are accounted for above, leaving Oberhausen. Of the three remaining commands, only S.D.VI has recorded property numbers suggestive of a large command (HWIS, Table 7-7).

    This leaves the mid-size commands located in as S.D.V and VII, although it is not yet possible to say which was which."

    Found this and the markings on his gun were the same except he had the S.D.V

    I read somewhere that Essen had 5 districts so mabe the 3 is 3rd district 100 gun in district? Just guessing here.

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    The DWM markings are significant because they indicate the pistol has been reworked in 1921 after the Treaty of Versailles. Hope that helps, only remember that as my Germanicon Grandfather had one which went through the same process fater his service in WW1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    The DWM markings are significant because they indicate the pistol has been reworked in 1921 after the Treaty of Versailles. Hope that helps, only remember that as my Germanicon Grandfather had one which went through the same process fater his service in WW1.
    So does that mean the gun was made before 1921 and reworked in 1921? The DWM was put on in 1921? Or S.D.I was put on in the rework. These are the most confusing guns I have looked into. A lot of hinding things for the treaty.

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    It means it was reworked in that year namely 1921.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    It means it was reworked in that year namely 1921.
    Thanks, is there a way to tll when it was made? SSN? Like a grand or carbine?

    ---------- Post added at 04:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 PM ----------

    Also what is the 8,83 under the serial number on the barrel?


    sorry not good at pictures. Tried severl and they all are bad
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    It means the 8,83 is the true diameter of the bore in millimeters when it was made. Rounded out to 9mm. The date on the chamber is the closest time frame for when it was made.

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