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    You should explain it better then , as some of what you said proves some of the other wrong . The Germans were trying to get the bayonet weight OFF of the barrel to help with accuracy , not POI . The bayo sight was for offhand shooting [ Cav use ] because gun handling DOES move POI . But what would I know , I only test fired 100's of 1000's of rounds through 1000's of military rifles [ with and with out bayos ] , scored 1000's of military rifle target matches at my range for over 25 years , shot national bench rest matches , a top finisher in BR-50 , and I build custom rifles . How would that compare to a guy who shoots a few rounds a year , does not even know what bullets he used and how would you even know if your rifle changed 8 inch POI when you shoot 8 inch groups [ see your Gew-88 target ] .

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    I'm sorry you can't understand that a bayonet affects where your rifle is shooting. Believe whatever you like to believe, I am not going to waste my time as much of what you have said has already is untrue.

    You feel like insulting my target when using multiple groups and test loads at 100m, you can mind your own business. I often don't even post my results here, usually only post when I finally get a rifle running as opposed to when I have it fully figured out. With irons and a rifle I am familiar with, I have scored 3rd place in a relatively large (25 person) rifle competition when they were all using scopes.

    To the OP sorry for taking the thread in a different direction, I am done commenting on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    It was doctrine that the majority of rifles (i.e. Dragoons, Infantry Rifles, M91/30s, etc.) were sighted in with the bayonets mounted. If you don't believe having a bayonet mounted makes a difference, you likely haven't shot a rifle with or without a bayonet, as it most definitely changes POI (and there has been many attempts to mitigate those effects throughout history, if it didn't have a effect militaries would have ignored it as opposed to doing things like the M95 Stutzen bayonets with a sight mounted on the bayonet, or changing mounting techniques like the Germans removing the muzzle ring). Inexperience has nothing to do with it, the barrel harmonics, and how the bayonet is mounted does.

    I can't even believe I have to try and explain this concept.
    I have also read that it was common practice that when the rifles were sighted in, they were done so with the bayonets mounted. I am by no means an expert on mosins, but when I first purchased mine and took it to the range, my point of impact was way off to the left I believe it was. When I got home that day, I researched it and found the sighting in with bayonet information. The next time I took it to the range, I mounted the bayonet and wouldn't you know almost dead center.so in my humble opinion, having the bayonet mounted absolutely makes a huge difference. It may look ridiculous at the range, but it makes a huge difference at least on my rifle


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