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    Quote Originally Posted by Ced1942 View Post
    Still not sure i understood but on mine front sight barrel band sits higher than the barrel on both side. That would mean it was turned down a the front of the rear sight. Im surprised the stock is a newly made, it is really badly beat up. Of all my rifle its the worst stock piece, probably it was issued and served somewhere. Thanks for your time, really appericated that you took time to explain
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    You have to remember this stock was a new replacement in 1928, it's now 90 years old and went through WWII at a minimum and possibly a few other campaigns in the meantime. Sounds like your rifle was indeed turned down all the way to the front of the rear sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn243 View Post
    You have to remember this stock was a new replacement in 1928, it's now 90 years old and went through WWII at a minimum and possibly a few other campaigns in the meantime. Sounds like your rifle was indeed turned down all the way to the front of the rear sight.
    Im not complaining haha its nice to have some safequeen but some old beat up rifle is awesome too. Gotta imagine what it went trought and still end up in my hand. Is there any info on how barrel modification affected accuracy? Does a turned down barrel should perform better than a simply cutted one? Otherwise ill try it this weekend and hope i can at least hit something without the bullet keyholing around


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    Since turning down the barrel only effects the outside and not the bore, no change between the two types. I wish you the best of luck but accuracy will most likely be bad. Especially if you are using Privi ammunition as they bullets are undersized.

    Accuracy is bad with these because they cut away the portion of the barrel needed to stabilize the bullets. You might get lucky and have one that still shoots well. Let us know.

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    Since turning down the barrel only effects the outside and not the bore, no change between the two types. I wish you the best of luck but accuracy will most likely be bad. Especially if you are using Privi ammunition as they bullets are undersized.

    Accuracy is bad with these because they cut away the portion of the barrel needed to stabilize the bullets. You might get lucky and have one that still shoots well. Let us know.
    well i went to shoot it today, on 12 shot at 50-60yards 8 landed on a 4x6 paper, so mutch for getting a grouping lol. sight are really bad too i had to aim 2-3 feet under the target to get the bullet to simply land around the paper. the bullet i had were .264 inch but i plan to reload and put some .268 trought it and see if it improve. its a shame it does not shoot better as the rifle work really well other than the crappy accuracy. Can't wait to see if i can at least hit the paper sheet each time with bigger bullet cause i really like the rifle other than that. i guess ill have to find a 91/28 if i can't get decent accuracy from this one lol

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    You need to look up "progressive twist". Cutting the muzzle off ruins the accuracy. Plain and simple.

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    I've read that the 91/24s were rebored? If they have an astric near the serial number they have been over bored?
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    6.5 x 54 MS conversions were done for the commercial market. These conversions were not done by Italyicon. I have heard they are nice rifles but have never seen one.

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    The 91/24 terni I just got was cut just up from the rear sight and the front portion was shortened and re-attached to the rear, this manner kept the gain twist of the rifle and original rear barrel end, possibly the front end as well. The pics I post show the step down in the barrel just forward of the rear sight, this is where the rear barrel was cut and the forward section was reapplied. I would imagine that both ends where threaded and then screwed together. This way the twist gain was still in the barrel. It is stamped 1915 terni with a terni restamp of 1928 when it was converted to a carbine.

    I also noticed that on this particular rifle the stock must have been replaced and renumbered to match. The new number is carved into the stock. Also it has 4 silver tacks in the stock and I can see were several others have been removed or fell out.

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    The rifles were, indeed, fitted with a complex insert. Perhaps 250,000 rifles converted after WWI. I understand the Brits used the same system to re-condition MG barrels. After WWI Italy was in desperate financial straits. No money for anything and the war saw almost all of the Italianicon fishing fleet destroyed. Food became a real issue and no money to buy staples. So fitting inserts into rifles made sense at the time. I saw a very well done You Tube video on this topic and it explained it all.

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    Many years ago, when these carbines were wry cheap, a lot of people bought them not knowing that the gain twist forward end of the barrel was cut off to make the carbine. The long 160 gr bullets would not stabilize on shooting. Some experienced shooters discovered that they could get the accuracy back with the remaining long twist by loading much lighter 6.5 bullets. I never tried it, as I didn’t own one. But that’s the story I heard from some folks that seemed very versed in rifle shooting and accuracy.



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