Israeli No4 T rifle origin? Faz or BSA?

[Roger Payne]

It could well have been Sarco rather than Numrich Frederick. I just can't remember for certain after all this time; the old grey matter is rapidly deteriorating!

[303kiwi]

Thank you for the replies everyone! what you are saying makes more sense. I paid a rather large sum for this rifle at auction in NZ. The auction was the estate from a man that would have been good friends with Bruce Gorton. Interesting that the rifle was set up by yourself Roger! I hope you didn't re-finish too much on the thing as it still appears in very good condition with very little use.

It will be a shooter then, but the scope is still not set up correctly. the set of which i am battling with a little.

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would it be hard to put a true value on the thing? kind of hoping I wasn't ripped off.

[Roger Payne]

Hello. IIRC I think Bruce wanted it mainly as a collection piece & wasn't too worried about the collimation of the scope. I did try suggesting that there might be less adulterated pieces out there but he had set his heart on having it. My pal who got it from P-H had about four or five altogether. No idea what happened to the others, unfortunately. I think he thought they were pukka UK set up wartime T's that had seen service post war in Israel, & that the Israeli ownership markings would somehow detract from their value once rebuilt, hence him removing them. Sadly he'd already done it by the time I found out! I'm afraid I have absolutely no idea of its value, although others on here might.

[CINDERS]

Only thing I can think of to assist the new owner Roger is for you who knows the rifles history get it down like a stat dec so the provenance of the rifle is there that way at least the new owner if they do on sell it has some sort of leverage asking a reasonable price whether they recoup the outlay is up to the next owner.
If you just send a signed piece of paper well thats just it a piece of paper that anyone can forge to try and inflate the price but a legal and recognized document that a J.P has to witness as well is a better thing to have.
It would be interesting if 303Kiwi has the original sales blurb from the auction so we could see what they detailed the rifle as, I do not know what one would pay for that weapon but the scope alone whether a MKII or III they are around the 1800-2200 here without brackets.

[Roger Payne]

It's one of the Israeli made scopes Ron, internally rather different to one of 'ours'. I'm happy to give Michael, the present owner, a note on headed notepaper confirming its history, if he wants one, but the information is already now in the public domain as I've posted it on here.

[Promo]

Roger, do you know where and which IDF markings the original rifle had which were removed by the friend of yours?

[Roger Payne]

I'm afraid I can't remember what markings were on it, other than there were Israeli marks on the receiver when he first got them. It's a long time ago & my interest was only marginal even then..... I think there was a mark (or possibly two) on the receiver ring, but not absolutely sure. The OP may be able to help out here.

[Promo]

The typical star possibly .. ?

[Roger Payne]

Probably, but I'm really struggling after all this time. I saw the barrelled actions briefly when he first got them & then when I acquired the one in question (after he'd got at them), so I barely saw the marks.

Best,

R.

[Mr303]

Israeli markings.