Clip pouch for M1 Carbine

[szvacek]

After two aggressive cleanings, I think all the grime has been removed. When I first got the gun, it felt "greasy." Now, it feels clean. After a couple of days of drying, will attempt to apply the linseed oil.

My next question is; The metal parts have some grime and very small areas of rust. What is the best way to clean these components and what are the products you folks recommend?

Thanks
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[painter777]

Now your talking Steve,
Been waiting on you.
Wood is a huge improvement. You'll be surprised how much that grain will show up when oiled.

Metal parts,
Everyone seems to have a different method.
For super grimey, dried cosmolene a pre-clean using the foaming Gunk engine cleaner works good. But your carbine isn't that bad.

I use Hoppes #9...... Fresh Brand New Hoppes #9

Coat with Hoppes #9, let sit, soft bristle brush and brass wire brush (lightly brushing with the milled grain), repeat often, letting set overnight wrapped with rags soaked again with #9, then wrapped over with plastic or zip lock baggies to keep the #9 from drying out, then again soft bristle brushed. Repeat if needed.
DO NOT BRASS WIRE BRUSH DRY, KEEP THE METAL WET WITH #9 WHILE BRUSHING.

A link:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=49949&page=2

Before cleaning and after cleaning using the above method:





When using the Brass brush, brush lightly, so you don't pull original finish, your just trying to clean. Look the metal over closely, you'll see (like wood) that the metal has a grain to it, from the milling when it was made. Brass is fine with the metal grain. Soft bristle brush can be used across the grain.

Charlie-Painter777

[INLAND44]

I often wonder which G.I. first thought of doing this with the belt pouch - pretty good idea in combat.

[jimb16]

Face it! You guys just need to see more carbine porn! Shame!

BTW, when cleaning off the rust, you can use my method too. Bronze wool and kerosene. That lets you scrub the bad spots a little harder. And Hoppes will remove any copper/brass that sticks to the finish.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Does anyone feel the mags & pouch on the stock might get in the way or make it a bit clumsy?
I carried pouches on my belt in VN, never on the weapon. Granted it was only used for inserting and extracting teams, otherwise we used the ma deuce's.

[LMTmonoman]

Does anyone feel the mags & pouch on the stock might get in the way or make it a bit clumsy?
I carried pouches on my belt in VN, never on the weapon. Granted it was only used for inserting and extracting teams, otherwise we used the ma deuce's.

Appreciate your service, and that's really cool you got to use a carbine in combat. I imagine that fact only forges a stronger bond with these little rifles

As to your question, I completely agree in regards to potentially getting in the way in a combat situation. As a lefty, and given most shooters are right handed....it would suck to pick up a carbine on the battlefield, only for it to have a mag filled pouch on the right side of the stock that prevents me from getting cheek weld and sight alignment. Obviously unique for a lefty, but overall it just seems clumsy to me like you said.


There is a pretty interesting case study done on M1 Carbine use on D-Day, and the observable specs they displayed.....


"Here's the breakdown:
Number of Photos: 90
Number of Carbines Observed: 137

Pouches:
Number of stocks where the buttstock was observable for a pouch: 84
Number of stocks with pouches: 18
Number of stocks without pouches: 66

Number of soldiers wearing no belt for magazine pouches: 25
Number of soldiers with one magazine pouch on their belt observable: 24
Number of soldiers with two magazine pouches on their belt observable: 17
Number of soldiers where the belt was not observable: 71

By the percentages:
Percentage of stocks where the buttstock was observable for a pouch: 61%
Percentage of stocks without pouches: 48%
Percentage of stocks with pouches: 13%

Percentage of soldiers where the belt was not observable: 52%
Percentage of soldiers wearing no belt for magazine pouches: 18%
Percentage of soldiers with one magazine pouch on their belt observable: 17.5%
Percentage of soldiers with two magazine pouches on their belt observable: 12.5%"


"Conclusions:

2.) The majority of M1 Carbines in use in Normandy did not have a magazine pouch on the buttstock.

By the photos and numbers, 78% or 7/9 Carbines did NOT have a magazine pouch on the buttstock. "


http://www.90thidpg.us/Research/Orig...ndy/index.html

[painter777]

I'm proud of Jim's service, but wish he'd never been there.

[browningautorifle]

Does anyone feel the mags & pouch on the stock might get in the way or make it a bit clumsy?

It does stick out but for the guy that doesn't want to carry any gear it would be perfect. I'd only be able to drag a mag out during a problem, not replace it. The pouch isn't friendly enough for that. Motor skills would degrade enough that you'd even have trouble snapping it back up I think. Then what, you lose the spare mag? I'd rather have them at the beltline on a belt of about 6 pouches...

[painter777]

BAR,
I can see it both ways out in the field... in combat.
1 time I took a carbine over to the range with pouch on the stock. Even though I'm a righty it was uncomfortable when trying to cheek weld, pouch would slip and slide.
Hard to open, hard to wrestle a mag out, hard to snap back closed. Seemed I had my mind on the pouch more or equal to finding my poa. But it was my first session with one attached.
With more experience maybe I could have got use to it.
But that particular day, I almost cut it off but took the time to pull it off.

Now a guy in the field and all the gear they carry.... full pack...etc, don't know how some did it.
I'd be best off with the pouch on the belt. I could still keep my right hand grip with finger for mag drop and blindly pull and insert another mag from my belt line with my left hand.
But again with more practice.... I can understand why some like it on the stock........... but man they are in there tight.
Guess I'd prefer to be seeing down range the whole time, especially if having to shoot at or keep from being shot at.

just an opinion,

[us019255]

My theory is that since the original idea of the carbine was that it was an emergency weapon to replace the pistol for those who's primary job was to do something except shooting at the enemy,while you were just carrying it around while you did something else a pouch on the stock made sense.