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    Dutch EIC musket?

    Found this old gal in an antique store today..it was among a pile of other old BP guns in various states of disrepair. I'd been to this shop before, its about 30 minutes from Athens Ga, and the shop owner is 'proud' of his stuff, if ya know what I mean. This one was towards the back, covered in dust..it looked interesting, and I asked about it.
    "Forgot I even had that one. How's $150?"
    So it came home. Its interesting. Took the plate off, found a proof mark of some sort, and the word 'HOLLAND'.
    The barrel has the remnants of a couple of proofs.
    Gotta love the brass fish inlays.
    Really pretty EIC lion, looks like a pattern F(?)
    Its rough, but will make a nice display piece. I have to wonder if it was a Confederate arm. Check out the pics, would love to hear some thoughts!
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    Interesting 'leaf' mark.
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    Maybe 'Holland and Holland'?

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    Holland before it became H&H ?

    I looked in my Stöckel. No less that 20 "Holland"s!

    And, of course, H & H, which was founded in 1876 (so it can't be H&H) by Harris John Holland (mentioned 1834-76) and his nephew Henry William Holland.

    Even after eliminating those in Ireland and Canadaicon, there are still a good dozen possible Hollands!

    But it's certainly Britishicon and not Dutch. The relevant Dutch company in the East was the "Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie", and their guns are typically marked with the letters VOC or VOIC in a heart-shaped outline.
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    Thanks...I've typed it in every way I can think of, and literally no reference to 'Holland' could I find.

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    Took it down today...barrel is marked 'BARNETT'.

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    The Barnett family (7 entries in Stöckl) was active exclusively in London from 1759 to around 1900 (as Barnett & Son).
    This makes it geographically more likely that the "Holland" was indeed one of the family that gave rise to the later "Holland & Holland".

    Nothing proven, of course! The present beaten-up state of the gun suggests that it may have been assembled as a "bitsa" by Ali Bubba.
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    Anzac: Neat old musket! Pure speculation, of course, but the India Govt. had given many old muskets to the ruler of Afghanistan prior to the Second Afghan War. THis one has that sort of look to it and many antiques have been making their way to North America via military and other personnel stationed there. Barnett, by the way, is a very common name on EIC muskets.

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    Thanks..the stock, after really looking at it, is definitely 'hand made'..not original. If I had run into it recently at a gun show, I would think Afghan 'bring back', but it had been in that antique shop for quite a long time. I have pretty much abandoned the Confederate connection, as it looks as there may be some Arabic script on the tang of the buttplate. Don't know if you can see it in the picture, I may be mistaken. Either way its an interesting piece.

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