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    Very interesting information that turned up here, thank you for this! I need to admit that this basically is my first Canadianicon sniper rifle, I don't have a LB No. 4 T (yet), but I'm very happy that also the others here like this rifle and confirmed it is original! It didn't come with the scope case nor the transit chest, but if someone knows where to find them (even mismatched) I would be very happy!

    While comparing it with the one from the Knowledge Libraryicon here I noticed this rifle has the serial of the scope marked with a different font of a different size - were there two versions how they were applied? And what was intersting to me, on the very bottom of the left side receiver ring there is a small marking which appears to read "G.28" on my rifle (and "H.31" on the rifle in the MKLicon), what is the meaning of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Promo View Post
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    While comparing it with the one from the Knowledge Libraryicon here I noticed this rifle has the serial of the scope marked with a different font of a different size - were there two versions how they were applied? And what was intersting to me, on the very bottom of the left side receiver ring there is a small marking which appears to read "G.28" on my rifle (and "H.31" on the rifle in the MKLicon), what is the meaning of this?
    When I first saw your rings they bothered me enough to pull rings from 2 of my TP sets, I believed that your engraving appeared too deep (and too uniform of depth).

    While my serial numbers certainly do not have uniformly engraved depths, although one of my ring sets has the "0"s engraved nearly as deeply as yours. Remember that these numbers were engraved by hand - usually not very deeply, not evenly.

    In answer to your questions;

    1. yes there were at least 2 distinct font sizes used during engraving. IIRC, the earlier serial numbers show a slightly larger font size.

    2. There is no known meaning to the letter/numerical coding below the serial number on LB No4 rifles. They appear approx. mid war (1943) and continue to 1945 production.
    At one time I tried to track them and came to the conclusion(s) that they are a batch marking of some type. Stencollector has suggested that they resemble FTR/rebuild markings from Canadianicon Stens, but in my experience these markings appear on new guns which have not been rebuilt/refininshed.

    They do not appear on the 1941-1942, nor 1949-1956 actions, nor do they appear on the new production .22 No7 receivers (it is possible that salvaged No4 receivers completed as No7 receivers could show these markings)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Payneicon View Post
    I don't know precisely how this rifle would have come to acquire its 'Englandicon' stamp, but I don't think any TP rifles were ever on issue to British units; it would have represented a most unwelcome logistical situation. I've always been under the impression that they, along with the CNo67 bearing rifles, were set up for specifically Canadian requirements, there being a shortfall in the production of the correct optical glass to make the lenses for regular No32 scopes. This was not a problem in the UK. Many Lee Enfield Riflesicon that turn up nowadays, including rifles photographed & shown on this forum, bear British civvy proofs & the 'England' stamp, but before the days of political correctness, huge quantities of firearms were surplussed & travelled through the UK on their way to wherever (mostly the US market). Interarms alone must have accounted for an awful lot......

    Addendum - & the late Pete Bloom turned up 30 TP scopes with their mounts (rings not bases) from the Dutch surplus market in the 1990's. Sadly the Dutch destroyed the rifles.
    I'm a dual citizen...Canadian/ Dutch but born in Canadaicon. When I was reading DRP's post about the Dutch gov't destroying those rifles it made me quite angry. How many of our countrymen fought, died and liberated the Netherlands. Then out of the goodness of our hearts we make available to them Canadian made weapons so they can at least begin to equip their forces......when they decided that they not longer needed those now highly collectible rare rifles they destroyed them instead of making them possibly available to the surplus market whose country was gracious enough to help them out at the time.
    What a bunch of morons!!!!! Kinda reminds me of the other current gov't I'm attached too!!!
    I'm venting but don't feel any better!!!!!

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    Here, in Italyicon, we have some TP (I have one). I think they were provided during the Liberation war (1943 - 1945), or shortly after. They are in as new condition.

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    Don't be too hard on the Dutch bros, they're no worse than most other current governments. IIRC it all stems from the UN & its gesture politics. We melt down all the guns, sell the scrap steel & give the proceeds to set up a basket weaving collective or a college of aroma therapists. And somehow that all makes the world a better place.......as long as you're an aroma therapist.



    **No disrespect intended to basket weavers & aroma therapists**
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Payneicon View Post
    Don't be too hard on the Dutch bros, they're no worse than most other current governments. IIRC it all stems from the UN & it's gesture politics. We melt down all the guns, sell the scrap steel & give the proceeds to set up a basket weaving collective or a college of aroma therapists. And somehow that all makes the world a better place.......as long as you're an aroma therapist.



    **No disrespect intended to basket weavers & aroma therapists**
    Sorry a little off topic but the UN tried sticking there nose in our " Klondike" backyard here to set up a world heritage site ( park) under "UNESCO". The local tourism industry was all for it but the local miners put enough opposition forward that the bid was withdrawn.......thankfully......!!!!!!! I have no use for that spineless organization, they are more interested in social engineering than social justice much like so many of our current governments.
    They certainly are not a friend of law-abiding gun owners!!!!!!!!


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