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    Another addition

    Just arrived this 75mm M18 1940 Shell case sadly it has been polished but over all the condition is very good the case mouth is not banged up like most of the shell cases I purchase.
    The one thing that I wish to know the seller stated it is from a Sherman tank and it is marked Normal loading they had others marked Super possibly for the A/T projectile and Reduced loads.
    Anyway the question I am asking the Sherman did not enter service till 1942 then the chances of it being fired from one are minimal at best even though it was used by them.
    I have a feeling it may have been a field piece pretty much impossible to prove.

    Either way its a nice clean addition 303 case for scale

    The maker BB Co I have no hits for can anyone assist with identification of the maker of this shell case thank you.cheers:
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    Hi Cinders,
    These are my 75mm Shell casings bought home from France by my father in March 1919. These are battle field pick ups that the Frenchicon made into souvenirs for sale to American troops. The two in front are anti tank rounds and are inert. I have others but they are in really bad shape. I do have an inert 75mm projectile that was evidently a dud which someone demilled. You can see on the nose cap where it hit and on the rotating ring where the rifling took. I do not know the head stamp of these cases.
    I just looked at the case marked "Argonne' and it has the head stamp: 75 DE C around the top of the primer , and the annotation ATE 703L 18 C .
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    Yours is in nice shape. I think that exposed to the air,your case may pick up a nice patina.

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    The artillery used a different case . The M3 tank , the "Lee" , was introduced in late 1940 and it's M2 75mm gun used the same ammo as it's later M3 75mm gun that was mounted in the M4 Shermans .

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    "...seller stated it is from a Sherman tank..." The M18 was used in AT, artillery and tank guns from long before W.W. II. Same ammo was used in the Frenchicon '75, the American 75-mm M1897, M1917 field guns, and the M2 tank gun on the M3 Lee/Grant tank and the main gun on the M4 Sherman. So at least he's not lying. snicker.
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    Sunray is correct . I was thinking of the WW2 adopted artillery . It was also used in the USMC M3 halftrack ( which used the earlier 1897 cannons mounted in the rear ) as well as the later M24 Chaffee tank and in the nose of the B-25 Mitchel bombers .
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    Here is a description of the smaller shell.
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    M1916 37mm gun
    The M1916 37mm gun was developed by the Frenchicon and used primarily by French and American forces in WWI for destroying machine gun emplacements. It was fairly good at this under fluid, mobile conditions, but inferior to mortars for static trench warfare. It was still in limited service by World War II, but generally relegated to training and use as a sub-caliber addition for larger guns.
    Ammunition was of two types initially, a 1-pound solid steel shell and a high explosive round. The solid round was found to be largely ineffective, and replaced with a bursting shell of cast iron and filled with black powder. Mounting for the gun was either a fixed tripod or wheeled carriage.
    Mechanically, the M1916 used a rotating breechblock and hydraulic recoil absorber coupled with a spring recuperator. In addition to use as an infantry gun, the M1916 was also mounted in the early US M1917 Renault tank.

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    For Cinders
    Here is the Demilled projectile
    N0 1 shows the round dis assembled to show that it is inert
    No2 shows the nose
    No3 Shows the assembled projectile
    No 4 shows the nose cap
    In Nos 3 & 4 you can see whee the projectile impacted. You can see where the rotting band contacted the rifling on 1 & 3
    I can find no other markings
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    I thought of the Lee Grant with the sponson mounted 75mm as I could not see a 1940 shell sitting there till 1942 waiting for use in the M4 hopefully someone will be able to tell me the makers name of the shell case.

    Thank you all for your replies.

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    For Cinders.
    Here is a complete round. Picked up around St. Mihiel or the Argonne area. Unfortunately the case has been altered to make a vase but is the correct length I believe. Brought home by my father in 1919. He was at St. Mihiel and the Argonne with the AEF for the Argonne and St Mihiel from August through November 1918.
    INERT , of course, as previously indicated. I think that the imgur will allow you to enlarge these photos.



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    I believe that I have posted this earlier.

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