+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Question regarding Enfield/1911 SHT L.E. IV COND IV

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Legacy Member ctbea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Last On
    04-20-2020 @ 09:53 PM
    Location
    ledyard,ct
    Posts
    5
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:04 AM

    Question regarding Enfield/1911 SHT L.E. IV COND IV

    Hi,
    I just joined milsurps and I'm finding so many good categories that apply to my collection and the many questions I have had.

    This one applies to a .22 converted Sht L.E buiult on a No.! Mk3 stock.

    My question relates to the magazine, stamped ".22"...its just an open shell looking from the open action...a great place to drop a 22LR. Were there any plates or other devices that filled this void or was it just a single shot and hope the rifleman did not have fumble fingers?
    The right side of the collar is marked " (crown)/ENFIELD/1894/SHT.22/IV*." The left side is marked " ENFIELD/1911/SHT L.E./CON D IV ." The receiver is marked "a / 3615 " with the forend and buttstock numbered to match. The top of the receiver ring and right buttstock medallion carry Canadianicon arrow markings. I see no number markings on the bolt or handle.

    Any information regarding this rifle and the magazine opening would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you,
    Darryl
    Information
    Warning: This is a relatively older thread
    This discussion is older than 360 days. Some information contained in it may no longer be current.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Specializing in premium ammunition and reloading components. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Contributing Member Gil Boyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last On
    02-28-2024 @ 11:09 AM
    Location
    Home of The Parachute Regiment & 16 Air Assault Brigade
    Posts
    4,772
    Real Name
    Gil Boyd
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:04 PM
    Hi Darryl,
    Firstly welcome to the site.
    Do you have any photos you could put up regarding your question, as I read it two different ways, also a number!
    Last edited by Gil Boyd; 07-02-2018 at 01:42 PM.
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    Legacy Member ctbea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Last On
    04-20-2020 @ 09:53 PM
    Location
    ledyard,ct
    Posts
    5
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:04 AM
    Thread Starter
    OK, I've taken a few pictures into a "gallery" that I've royally messed with. I have no idea if I can now include them but I'll give it a try.....nope. Guess I'll need a more intuitive procedure to make this work. You may be able to access my so called "gallery entitled "ctbea gallery of firearms" ...not very original. I don't know how open the access is. Assuming you will NOT be able to observe the three pics of the left and right wrist markings and the receiver (the pic makes the preceding letter look more like a Q rather than a script "a") please let me now what areas you'd like to see and I'll do my best to get them to you.
    Darryl

  6. #4
    Contributing Member Gil Boyd's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last On
    02-28-2024 @ 11:09 AM
    Location
    Home of The Parachute Regiment & 16 Air Assault Brigade
    Posts
    4,772
    Real Name
    Gil Boyd
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:04 PM
    ctbea,
    If you type into the white Search Milsurps.com panel on the upper right :

    How do I upload pictures to my posts for storage on milsurps.com?

    You can see how to do it on here.
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

  7. #5
    Contributing Member
    bigduke6's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    03-25-2024 @ 09:09 PM
    Location
    North West England,UK
    Posts
    3,279
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ctbea View Post
    Hi,
    I just joined milsurps and I'm finding so many good categories that apply to my collection and the many questions I have had.

    This one applies to a .22 converted Sht L.E buiult on a No.! Mk3 stock.

    My question relates to the magazine, stamped ".22"...its just an open shell looking from the open action...a great place to drop a 22LR. Were there any plates or other devices that filled this void or was it just a single shot and hope the rifleman did not have fumble fingers?
    The right side of the collar is marked " (crown)/ENFIELD/1894/SHT.22/IV*." The left side is marked " ENFIELD/1911/SHT L.E./CON D IV ." The receiver is marked "a / 3615 " with the forend and buttstock numbered to match. The top of the receiver ring and right buttstock medallion carry Canadianicon arrow markings. I see no number markings on the bolt or handle.

    Any information regarding this rifle and the magazine opening would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you,
    Darryl

    Darryl,

    The magazine is just an empty shell on most SMLE.22's, to catch the spent case it is a single shot.
    Your rifle started life as either a .303 Magazine Lee-Metford Mk1* or Mk 11 as the date falls between these two Mk's, but considering the left side markings it would be a Mk11.

    With the "Enfield 1911 Sht LE ConD IV" (Conversion) on the left these conversions were converted from MK 11 and Mk11* Lee Metford rifles and Lee Enfield Mk 1 and Mk 1* rifles and up graded to the MK 111 SMLE pattern.

    The .22 conversion come later on after 1921 with yours it has the .22 marked mag, which was added after 1925.

    A very nice an interesting rifle with some fascinating history (to some) and something I'd certainly take in and add to my collection, I would not worry about the condition of the barrel some are awful some nice, my two look like sewer pipes and require regular oiling and cleaning without use....... but print nicely on paper. Try and get some full pictures of it, in the UKicon prices vary around £700 + when you look at the history of these rifles and also the conversions they have had in throughout the years, I've often said they must be the greenest rifle there is due to the recycling they have gone through, your wood work (fore-end) is probably the original which was converted when it was converted to a Mk111.
    Last edited by bigduke6; 07-03-2018 at 10:58 AM.

  8. #6
    Legacy Member ctbea's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Last On
    04-20-2020 @ 09:53 PM
    Location
    ledyard,ct
    Posts
    5
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    08:04 AM
    Thread Starter

    Thank you and here is another pic try

    Many thanks to Mr. Boyd for advising on the picture additions. I'll try this again.
    Also many thanks to Bigduke6 for your information regarding my rifle and the empty magazine.
    Here are the few pics I've made to start with. If there are other markings of interest, let me know and I'll snap a few more. I noticed the bayonet lug is marked with the SN Q3615 but the sight is stamped "G" 3615 (after the original sn of X82114 was lined out). Is there any reason for the change from "Q" to "G" in prefix markings of the SN?

  9. #7
    Contributing Member
    bigduke6's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    03-25-2024 @ 09:09 PM
    Location
    North West England,UK
    Posts
    3,279
    Local Date
    03-28-2024
    Local Time
    12:04 PM
    Being the same number but different pre fix its probably just an error, a pic of the full rifle would be nice, apart from that, Shoot it and enjoy it, one good thing is won't cost a lot in ammo, most of my shooting now is .22 or pistol calibre's, any full bore is normally downloaded ammo.

    .22 Trainers are very collectable and addictive so be aware.....

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Lee Enfield Cond IV
    By Giove in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 12-23-2017, 12:40 PM
  2. ConD II* Question
    By Roy in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-16-2014, 03:49 PM
  3. Enfield 1907 COND 11*
    By RCS in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 01-26-2012, 01:44 AM
  4. WW1 Rem. UMC 1911 question
    By usoverlord in forum 1911/1911A1 Service Pistol
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-15-2010, 08:13 AM
  5. 1911 value and a question
    By ShooterAZ in forum 1911/1911A1 Service Pistol
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 03-06-2009, 07:23 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Raven Rocks