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    Canadaicon stuck to their licensing agreement to the letter. It worked well for Sterling too because Canada also had to buy butt assemblies, Barrels, grips etc etc from Sterling.

    As for the trigger mech....... There was always a bit of animosity between the two which were self contained and both tripped internally at a set point. Patchett always said that if his patent was written/worded in a slightly different way with a couple of words the Ruffell trigger would have breeched his patent

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    The UKicon trigger always looked neater and ours looked crude...like it was made in a barn workshop. Worked OK though. I did like our single, simple bolt though. One piece and a spring that usually stayed attached.
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Canadaicon stuck to their licensing agreement to the letter. It worked well for Sterling too because Canada also had to buy butt assemblies, Barrels, grips etc etc from Sterling.
    Yes. Canada did destroy them at the end of their service life and not sell them on. That’s why it wasn’t possible to find the magazine housing (the serialized part) and a Sterling housing had to be modified to look close.

    The butt is a little more rigid. The stamping left some material that’s similar to the yoke reinforcement modification on the Sterling.



    The grip doesn’t have the Sterling patent.




    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidler View Post
    As for the trigger mech....... There was always a bit of animosity between the two which were self contained and both tripped internally at a set point. Patchett always said that if his patent was written/worded in a slightly different way with a couple of words the Ruffell trigger would have breeched his patent

    The Chilean FAMAE PAF trigger mechanism is almost an exact copy of the Sterling. Were they built under license or did the Chileans violate Patchett’s patent?

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    Don't know about the Chileanicon but I always understood that the Canadianicon butt was a UKicon supplied part. You never know everything!

    Now that is very strange, I've just looked through the Canadian parts list and it has a UK 1005-99- part number! So your butt SHOULD(?) have a UK type butt fitted! Mmmmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Don't know about the Chileanicon but I always understood that the Canadianicon butt was a UKicon supplied part. You never know everything!

    Now that is very strange, I've just looked through the Canadian parts list and it has a UK 1005-99- part number! So your butt SHOULD(?) have a UK type butt fitted! Mmmmmmmm
    Never seen a Mk4/L2a3 butt on a C1, nor a photo of it either.

    They would be straight interchangeable however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Don't know about the Chileanicon but I always understood that the Canadianicon butt was a UKicon supplied part. You never know everything!

    Now that is very strange, I've just looked through the Canadian parts list and it has a UK 1005-99- part number! So your butt SHOULD(?) have a UK type butt fitted! Mmmmmmmm
    I've never seen or heard of the Chilean SMG before, but what a blatant rip off!

    I would assume royalties were paid to Sterling?

    The stated higher cyclic rate would, I guess, be down to a lighter bolt design?

    Ugly little blighter, but an interesting Sterling side story I've never heard before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    The butt is a little more rigid. The stamping left some material that’s similar to the yoke reinforcement modification on the Sterling.
    I had forgotten what that looked like...it's been a while. Yes, we shredded ours...all gone.

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    The stated higher cyclic rate would, I guess, be down to a lighter bolt design?
    Yes, a lighter bolt and a stronger spring wire will turn up the volume...
    Regards, Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    The Chileanicon FAMAE PAF trigger mechanism is almost an exact copy of the Sterling. Were they built under license or did the Chileans violate Patchett’s patent?
    hi, ive got both the Chilean one is dead easy to put back together, sterling a pain

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    The stated higher cyclic rate would, I guess, be down to a lighter bolt design?
    Yes. They copied the Sterling Mk5 bolt design. The location of the charging handle hole is slightly different and IIRC it’s metric.

    They copied the charging handle from H&K and the extractor is stamped sheet metal. I don’t know where they copied it from. Butt looks like it was copied from H&K too.



    The barrel nut does make barrel changes easy, but it gets hot fast (like the Uzi) and there’s not really a good place for your support hand.

    They made some forty-five round magazines for it that are hard to find and quite expensive.

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