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    can you ID this magazine?

    Can you ID the magazine on the right in both these pictures. Mag in question is an inch straight 30. Its not a one off. They come 12 to a crate and they are all the same. They wont fit in a metric rifle but lock up fine in an inch rifle
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    No markings of any kind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    No markings of any kind?
    no markings.
    has flat spring and silver follower
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    Rhodesian perhaps?

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    They are L2 or C2 magazines which have been modified to fit into a metric FN FAL.

    Presumably they worked in the specific rifle it was fitted for.

    In your first photo you can see the original "footprint" of the front lug.

    Is the case a L4 bren box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    have been modified to fit
    That's my thinking too, they fit whatever they were modified to go into...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    They are L2 or C2 magazines which have been modified to fit into a metric FN FAL.

    Presumably they worked in the specific rifle it was fitted for.

    In your first photo you can see the original "footprint" of the front lug.

    Is the case a L4 bren box?
    The box was a bren box thats properly modified to hold C2 magazines.
    They do not fit in any metric FAL. They lock up properly in inch receivers but not as tight as an Aussie L2 mag

    Presumably they worked in the specific rifle it was fitted for.
    Thats the bit thats hard to explain. As far as I can ascertain they have been in storage/possession of one individual since 1960 up until they changed hands 3 times in the last month. Considering the C2 and L2 never went into production until 1962 and the first L4 was 1958 (excluding trials) could these be from early development of the L2/C2? I cant remember where I read that the L4 was hard on magazines and would spit out the magazine after shearing the lug off and the lug had to be beefed up to prevent this. Now up until the L4 came into existence and caused the redesign of the front lug what did the original lug look like?
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    I'm a little confused with your FN C1 date information:

    The initial 2000 trials production Ex1/Ex2 rifles (metric FAL) were ordered from FN in June 1953 with delivery starting in Jan-March 1954.

    The magazine lugs were finalized in 1954-1955 with the first serial production at CAL (not toolroom trials) C1 rifles being manufactured in 1956.

    The CAL manufactured C2 trials guns were in production by 1958.

    Ex1/L4a1 share the "metric FAL" magazine designe interface.

    C1/C2/L4A2 share a common (C1/L1) magazine interface.

    L4 7.62 magazine cases are converted .303 Bren magazine cases...

    Can you post photos of the rear latch area and base plates of these magazines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    I'm a little confused with your FN C1 date information:
    Are you sure your information is accurate. I just found some Canadianicon 20 round mags with the same small lug. Production date Aug-1960. Info on box is 1005-21-150-5286 case qty-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr E View Post
    Are you sure your information is accurate. I just found some Canadian 20 round mags with the same small lug. Production date Aug-1960. Info on box is 1005-21-150-5286 case qty-1
    Are they the same? In the same position?

    Canadaicon had 1700 Ex1 and 300 Ex2 (metric FAL) rifles in service, the survivors of which were used as airborne jump guns (and cadet rifles longer) into the 1980s.

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