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    Something strange about that one. Three engines all fully serviced a couple of weeks ago and the plane takes a nose dive from a great height.
    Sounds like the engines were starved of oxygen, could he have been too high?
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    To just drop out of the sky, as did the Ju indicates a catastrophic fuel supply failure to all 3 engines to me

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    .............or he didn't have any left and had a duff fuel gauge, as the needle was prone to do on the old crates, unless they were made by SMITHS of course!!
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    There is a possibility that it wasn't mechanical. Mountain area flying comes with an extra set of possible ways to die. One is that as a prevailing wind crosses on to the lee side of a ridge it can 'roll' like a breaking wave. This will create a 'roll cloud' if there is enough humidity in the air. What happens is as the wind (air current) passes over the ridge it rolls downward and then up again in the low pressure area that it has created near the ridgeline. There is a danger of being thrown into the side of the mountain if you are too close or too low near the ridge, or forced downward by the down draft where the air current descends. There is also the possibility that lift could be lost as one flies into the 'roll'. Also, there is the possibility of a 'micro-burst' (downward rush of air commonly found even miles away from active or forming thunderstorms) putting the aircraft on the ground.


    Every pilot in the world is trained in engine out procedures almost from day one, so even a no fuel state engine failure would not normally cause a crash.

    I had a real life engine out happen while I was getting ready to land after a long (over-night) cross country flight when I forgot to change tanks. Sputter, sputter, 'Oh SH*T!', set up to glide, look at gauges, check throttle and mixture controls, check tanks lever, 'SH*T!', switch tanks, prime and restart. That was followed immediately by a big sigh of relief, a mental b*ll*cking and a very careful landing.

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    Yes I have let Doug know............................whats that got to do with a Dakota?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Something strange about that one. Three engines all fully serviced a couple of weeks ago and the plane takes a nose dive from a great height.
    Sounds like the engines were starved of oxygen, could he have been too high?
    Lots of people pointing fingers at high density altitude issues...........the Ju-52 was one of 3 fatal accidents in Switzerlandicon within a few days where high density altitude was possibly a contributing factor, with pilots being caught out by the heatwave across Europe.....and mountain flying close to max aircraft performance margins leaves little very little room for errors, even for very experienced crews.

    Awful crash.

    The crashed Ju-52 was the one they used for filming the scenes in Where Eagles Dare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeeRam View Post
    Lots of people pointing fingers at high density altitude issues...........the Ju-52 was one of 3 fatal accidents in Switzerlandicon within a few days where high density altitude was possibly a contributing factor, with pilots being caught out by the heatwave across Europe.....and mountain flying close to max aircraft performance margins leaves little very little room for errors, even for very experienced crews.

    Awful crash.

    The crashed Ju-52 was the one they used for filming the scenes in Where Eagles Dare.
    I didn’t realise that one was from ‘Where Eagles Dare’ . I love the opening scene and music. A real shame that lives where lost.

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    What is surprising and tends to support the sudden nose dive witnessed by many, is the fact that these corrugated old reliable buses glided well.
    Something catostrophic must have happened here, besides tha lack of lift
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    What is surprising and tends to support the sudden nose dive witnessed by many, is the fact that these corrugated old reliable buses glided well.
    Something catostrophic must have happened here, besides tha lack of lift
    Aircraft was attempting a 180 deg turn at end of valley, aircraft lost all lift during turn, rolls inverted into dive, hits ground.

    Aircraft didn't nose over into vertical from level flight.

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