Anyone know what these are?

[painter777]

Jim
My girls believe you have a Hame fastener used on a work harness for pulling horses, mules or ox. Unusual because it has the double studded T which is used on the middle puller in a 3 wide.. but their not positive about the double T use.
When closed there is a clinch pin (I call them) round ring with pin attached that pokes in. Called a Hame line ring with stud.. per the girls.
Many different styles and many different ways of rigging depending on the chore at hand..... many styles found over the years.

That's what the Wife and Daughter say you have, so I'll go with it.

[CINDERS]

I waz closest to intended use, I'll take the cheese!

[painter777]

Cinders,
This is their best guess......
Still just a guess.
I've looked and seen some similar but no exact match.
So for now........ IDK ??

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Charlie,
Found while cleaning out the old family house built in 1902. So they were using horse drawn carriers back then. The family owned the Ice House in Monterey at the time.
Thank the girls for me.

Jim

[painter777]

I'll tell them later.... not ready for that 'Told you we were right look' right now.
I must say they were pretty confident when they ID'd it. Daughter did it while on Skype. (sp ? )

[USGI]

OK, but isn't the item in the picture way too small for any type of rigging? It doesn't look much larger than the 30-06 device - appears to be laying on just a piece of a paper towel? - Bob

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

I'll tell them later.... not ready for that 'Told you we were right look' right now.
I must say they were pretty confident when they ID'd it. Daughter did it while on Skype. (sp ? )

I understand that. If E & H are anything like my B, I'd get a smirk for a while. But that's what we like about them, I think

Bob, it's about 7 1/2" from the curved end to the hinge area. Didn't measure the swing part with the ring, but it is longer.

An email from my cousin in Monterey this morning.

Thank your friend Charlie, I could not find an exact image but I believe his is a good call when I peruse some of these like-images. This fitting was in the desk, in brand new condition (literally mint condition) so I had no idea it was quite so old.
Frank Hellam Sr had a drayage team for use with the Climax furniture store so this makes sense it is what Charlie said. The Scott Street barn and warehouse are built from salvage lumber from the torn down barn which used to sit on the property where those two houses above the current property now sit.
Our great-grandfather possibly bought a spare one day and stuck it in his desk for eventual use. Knowing these ancestors, I can see where it may have languished in that desk for a century.
Aunt Anstice (born 1910) once told me of the team, in harness, sitting outside the front door on Scott St when she was 8 or 9. She climbed up on the seat, released the brake and yelled “giddy up!” The horses took off and turned on Van Buren Street with the wagon on two wheels. She managed to get the wagon around the block, reset the brake and never did that again.

Picture shows four generations of family woman. My great aunt Anstice in the back at the family front door in 1979. The adobe wall my daughter and I are standing next to was put up in 1906 and is still standing today. Property runs the entire length of the block.

[USGI]

Bob, it's about 7 1/2" from the curved end to the hinge area. Didn't measure the swing part with the ring, but it is longer.

I'll have to admit, that "painter guy" is right again! - Bob

[Gil Boyd]

I was the furthest so I'll have the mouse then

[CINDERS]

Gil