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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    I own it. First bunch of picture from listing then others from when I received it.
    If thats the case if it were mine I'd try to make it more presentable, I'd replace the screws for the pads, the scope numbers that are barred out you may be able to make out the numbers underneath in certain light conditions or clever photography, I don't know the correct name but certain colours are removed or applied etc that can help identify the numbers underneath.

    Worth a go as you could put a wanted add (there is a forum for rifles looking for scopes, scopes looking for rifles. (Its a long shot but has worked for a few including myself) patience is the key.

    I would reposition the cheek piece to the original position.........

    Its a shame someone has recently stamped the scope number, why folk do this I'll never know....... as Peter has often said it stands out like Bulldogs Bollocks, but its there, personally as it looks very fresh, I would try and raise it using steam and make it look less obvious.

    The bracket if it collimates then leave as is, with the two barred out numbers it does make me think what happened to the last correct scope fitted ? why no number or is the second barred out number the last scope and someone has barred this out at a later date ??

    Its just a few thoughts that I would do...... welcome to the T club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    If thats the case if it were mine I'd try to make it more presentable, I'd replace the screws for the pads, the scope numbers that are barred out you may be able to make out the numbers underneath in certain light conditions or clever photography, I don't know the correct name but certain colours are removed or applied etc that can help identify the numbers underneath.
    Thanks, correct screws are being sourced thanks to Roger.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    The bracket if it collimates then leave as is, with the two barred out numbers it does make me think what happened to the last correct scope fitted ? why no number or is the second barred out number the last scope and someone has barred this out at a later date ??
    The double barring out of the scope numbers looks to have occurred at the same time. The more recent scope number does looks fresher (it is the most recent marking on the wood).

    I know it's not a perfect example, but they are not that common here in NZ and took a punt on it. Being N/I\Z marked is a big bonus. The only other NZ marked No.4 T I've seen online is in the Te Papa (Museum of New Zealandicon) collection.

    http://collections.tepapa.govt.nz/object/57732
    Last edited by Kiwi; 09-18-2018 at 10:03 PM. Reason: Link added

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    I have an NZicon marked Savage no4MkI(T) with it's original 6groove barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    I have an NZicon marked Savage no4MkI(T) with it's original 6groove barrel.
    Is it traditionally marked with the 'T' and examiners marks? Would love to see some pictures of it.
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    Early guns didn't get a "T".

    I would say that most early guns which have "T"s on them have had them added later.

    the best picture I can do at this time:
    Attachment 95954
    top and bottom are 1942 dated, I think the middle one is as well
    the top one is a 5groove '45 Britishicon Barrel 5Cxxxx
    Middle one retains it's 2 groove barrel 15Cxxxx
    the bottom one is the NZicon marked MkI, retaining it's original 6groove barrel 0Cxxx.

    none of the 3 have "T"s on the sidewalls.
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    I thought I recognized this rifle. It was in the late Bruce Gorton's collection. I have a photo of the butt socket markings. It's certainly genuine.

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    i was really fighting with myself as to bid or not when it came up a few weeks back. even after takling to a few certian people at the time it just wasnt clear if it was a rifle that has seen extensive servive repairs or something done more recently. still a nice looking rifle though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Dickicon View Post
    I thought I recognized this rifle. It was in the late Bruce Gorton's collection. I have a photo of the butt socket markings. It's certainly genuine.
    The rifle was purchased in Invercargill, which is where I understand Bruce was from.

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    He sent photos to me many years ago of his weapons with NZicon ownership marks which reside in my reference material. I'm with Geoff. Replace the buggered pads screws, (why do people do that?), and give the rest of the rifle a little TLC and it will be lovely.

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