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    Identifying Markings on 1917 No1 MkIII^

    Salutations,

    I recently purchased the aforementioned rifle. It now represents the 5th Enfield in my collection. I note that before I make the following comment. The barrel and receiver share the same serial number. In my limited experience restoring Enfield Riflesicon, I have not run across one as marked up as this one. The knox form barely has any room for additional stampings.

    Rather than as a bazillion questions in a single post, please allow me to ask a first question.

    at the rear of the read site, where one might expect to see the letters "HV" instead the in the marking "IV".

    Might one of the forum members be able to suggest the significance and decipher the "IV" marking?

    I thought I would ask before attempting to shoot the weapon in case this marking suggest not shooting "spitzer" loaded ammunition, i.e., one should only shoot round nose in this particular rifle.

    Thanks in advance for your attention to this matter.

    Cheers,

    Rob

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    Pictures help to make a determination by the armourers here but of your question to me it makes it seem to be a mis-stamping when you consider the millions of the MkIII's produced under war time pressures to keep up with the losses for instance a MkIII rifle in WWI had a life expectancy of a few days when at the front along the expedition of the parts and completed weapons things do occur.

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    Thanks Cinders

    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Pictures help to make a determination by the armourers here but of your question to me it makes it seem to be a mis-stamping when you consider the millions of the MkIII's produced under war time pressures to keep up with the losses for instance a MkIII rifle in WWI had a life expectancy of a few days when at the front along the expedition of the parts and completed weapons things do occur.
    My thought as well. Perhaps the "I" in the apparent marking "IV" is one half of the letter "H" making the marking "HV" rather than "IV".

    Thanks for the input.

    Cheers,

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    "...as marked up as this one..." Not unusual. No. 1 rifles got around and everybody, his brother and all their cousins added their stamp. Either proof marks or acceptance marks or rebuild marks. Keeps the civil servants busy even then.
    "...share the same serial number..." What about the bolt? Not that it matters for headspace. Thousands of Lee-Enfields have been assembled out of parts bins with no QC. Always Check the headspace and slug the barrel before shooting. If you're going to fiddle with Lee-Enfields, buying a set of headspace gauges would be a good idea. $87.00(listed under .30-40 Kragicon. Same gauges.) from Pacific Tool and Gauge.
    "...before attempting to shoot the weapon..." Spitzer or not won't matter with a 1917 Mk III*. That's all they used. Mk VII ammo with its 174 grain spitzer at 2440 FPS. No. 1 rifles don't seem to have the same barrel ID issues as a No. 4, but slug the barrel anyway. If it's bigger than .312", Montana Bullets sells .313", .314" and .315" cast 200 grain bullets. Plus .313" and .314" 180's for reasonable money.

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