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    Well jond,
    We can now see you have a Milled type III (some call type IIII) Straight hammer.
    A Marking I've never seen before, some Post WWII were unmarked but.........
    Have you taken it completely off to see if there are markings on either of the bottom sides ?
    One thing for sure.. you clearly have a odd stamping.

    I'll show your pic and ask some others on different forums.

    BTW- Curious about the maker of your Carbine, I don't believe you said who made it.
    Also curious about the maker of your Trigger housing. Looks to be a Type III milled with the square rear lugs.
    I can see just the S on the upper right rear...... Is there any number on the left side we aren't seeing ?

    Hmmmmm....
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    It is a 1943 Winchester type 1 receiver(spring tube).the trigger housing on my carbine is another thing that I have wondered about.I clearly see an s but would expect to see a G or something beside of it but there is none,there's just an s on the left side and then 1 3 - A. It does have the square rear lugs.the grooves on the rear wall of the Magwell do not travel all the way up either, they are just about a centimeter long at the bottom and stop there. Like the type one trigger housings I have seen. The only upgrades that I can notice are it has the milled adjustable rear sight, bayonet lug, upgraded magazine catch and also has a round Bolt so it doesn't surprise me that it has the later hammer. When it gets into the types of these parts that's when I get confused. I knew I didn't have a dog leg hammer, but I had no idea which type Hammer I had so thank you. Now I know I have a milled type 3.I have never had the hammer off or out of the trigger group so I have no idea if it has any other markings on the bottom. My trigger group also retains its original push button safety it appears which I thought was unusual since everything else was upgraded. I took a bunch of detailed pictures of my trigger group as well it's just I don't know how to post them without browningautorifles help and I don't want to wear out my welcome by bugging him constantly with my pictures lol
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    S is Standard Products...... It's a Milled Type III Housing (SQ rear Lug Top)
    Stan Pro used a number system that increased as their production went forward, That's where the 13-A comes in to play.
    Thanks to a over worked fellow member you can refer to this link and compare Hammer Types:

    The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Trigger Housing Group

    BTW When you do get around to taking the Housing apart, Remember the Hammer Spring goes in from left to right.
    The link above will show you why.

    A side note: Not sure where Kingsport is ? I have family in Nashville, Brentwood and Johnson City.

    Later.....
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    Thank you so much for all of your help painter 777. You have no idea how much I appreciate it.that's awesome that you have family in Johnson City because that is literally just about 10 miles down the road from where I am in Kingsport Tennessee. Have you ever seen or heard of a Type 3 housing that doesn't have the grooves in the back wall of the magazine well that does not go all the way up?the grooves on mine are just barely bigger than the actual retaining knubs on the magazine and they stop right there,they do not travel all the way up like the rest of the type 3's I have seen.

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    There are 2 styles of Rear Magwalls on USGI Trigger Housings.......
    Smooth rear wall: Used by Winchester, Standard Products, Irwin-Pedersen, Saginaw-S'G'
    Fully Grooved rear wall: Used by Inland, National Postal Meter, Quality Hardware, Rock-Ola, Saginaw- S.G. IBM
    Just happened to be how they chose which step to manufacture.

    All from memory, don't bet your check on my reply. I'll look it up tomorrow in the books.

    ---------- Post added at 09:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:31 PM ----------

    Forgot Underwood.... They used the Fully Grooved rear wall. They marked their .U. stamp on the grooved rear wall.
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    You just taught me something that I did not know or had any idea about. I did not know they were two styles used by different manufacturers.I thought the grooves just appeared on type twos and remain that way for the rest of the types. That's why I love these forums, very nice and knowledgeable people willing to help you.thanks painter777, I've learned a lot about my carbine from you

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    There are 2 types of smooth faced push safeties.......... Some marked inside !!
    Markings on Trigger? On Sear ? Possible markings on Hammer's lower side's.
    Gotcha curious enough to pull that housing apart yet ?

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    Lol,yes it does, might have to put that on Saturdays list of things to do

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    And if no one ends up never seeing the Flame stamping on my hammer before anywhere else, at least it's on record now as one existing and may end up helping someone down the road having one just like mine and wondering the same thing about it . At least they will know there is another one like theirs out there.sunray has me curiuos as to the maybe it was made by the same plant that made zippos

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    No known contracts to Zippo for carbine parts.
    I'm sending you a PM.
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