I just came into possession of a IBM carbine tell me about it

[jond41403]

Thank you for the response.

This is what I am trying to learn about my new piece.
It has an Inland barrel dated 1-44.

Not knowing anything about IBM, my query was about learning what is supposed to be on this rifle.
It does have an adj. site, and very, very firmly attached

Someone responded and said that only about 16 parts were made by IBM, the rest supplied by others? All one supplier, or numerous vendors.

there are a lot of very knowledgeable experts on here thumper, any one of them is excellent advice, but if painter777 replies to you, I would pay close attention to what he says because he lives and Breaths these carbines.

[Thumper]

Besides it doesn't much matter in this topic. The OP is swapping parts quicker than we can type these replies.[/QUOTE]


Painter..thank you for your "insight" and critique as a medium, however, you need to take a rest. I have not replaced or swapped any part of this carbine. I am trying to learn about IBM and their part in building this rifle.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

there are a lot of very knowledgeable experts on here thumper, any one of them is excellent advice, but if painter777 replies to you, I would pay close attention to what he says because he lives and Breaths these carbines.

Charlie, don't choke on a barrel when breathing.

[jond41403]

Charlie, don't choke on a barrel when breathing.

Lol,I probably shouldn't have worded it that way but he does seem to know his carbines extremely well hahaha

[painter777]

I have not replaced or swapped any part of this carbine

Thumper,
Oct 31st over on the CMP forum you gave a lot of detail about a Inland you were checking out at a local pawn store. Included the serial range, condition of the park, type of bolt, frt sight, barrel band, stock, muzzle and chamber measurements, along with how tight the action was...etc. Plus accessories that come with it.
I found an M1 carbine at a pawn shop - CMP Forums

Then nearly a week Before you post it here you had posted (11-2) on the CMP again but this time asking about your new IBM.
I don't blame you for getting multiple opinions, I would do the same.
In that post you asked if a Inland 1-44 barrel could have been original to your new IBM.
Followed by plenty of replies by some of the best in the carbine collecting field.
? about a IBM carbine - CMP Forums

But here you start a topic:
I just came into possession of a IBM carbine tell me about it.
With no description or mention of it's current configuration.
You gave us the makers name and partial serial number and asked "Tell me about it".
Got to admit very minimal information to go by.
Trying to gather more about this IBM from you has been like pulling teeth.
Then I see that 2 hrs after you started this topic that you posted a WTB for a IBM bolt.
We can only guess at what it is that you want to know..... or are up to.

What do you want to know?
Is it how your carbine would have been when accepted?
Or are you trying to research IBM Corporation's War time contributions?

I don't know, can't read your mind even though you seem to believe I have some level of "Medium" skills.
Now I do know that we'd like to see and hear more about your new find.
That's a early IBM and was built in a critical time period for M1 carbines.
I hope it shakes out and is a good one for you.

I'll try a Holiday Inn tonight and get that rest you suggested.

[jimb16]

Painter! I can lend you my OUIJA Board if you think it will help! *LOL*!!!!!

[painter777]

Hey Jim!
Thumper and I are cool.
I haunted his place a few evenings..... whispering he had a fairly early IBM with a Inland barrel (that was a replacement)
He's building a shooter and should end up with a nice one. Barrel measures out like a new one.
Good idea on his part looking for a back up bolt.
I do the same for my shooters.

********* Sound of foot steps down the hallway********

[imarangemaster]

To me, a correct carbine could be a mixmaster arsenal rebuild that fought in Korea or Vietnam. As you obtained it, it was likely issued in that condition before you got it. There is an obsession with "correct carbines" or as they left the factory. Chances are, that condition ceased to exists within months of issue, A stock may have cracked and been replaced in the field. A bolt may have cracked and been replaced bu battalion armorer, a push button safety may have bee replaced. I was a USAF Security Police armorer in the late 70s, and none of out weapons had all original parts. Anyway, to me a arsenal rebuilt mix master is a real piece of as issued (at some point) history. A weapon that has been "restored" with correct parts is no longer a real piece of History. It is something assembled from a bunch of parts by someone in the civilian world.

I had an original Inland that I got from the estate of a WW II officer who fought in Europe. He legitimately had it from the war. Even it had a replaced hand guard and another part ( I forget what), that very well may have been replaced in the war.

[painter777]

Hi IMR
I'm happy just to see all Real USGI parts, no matter the type.
Repo: parts, stamps and wood are killing the hobby.

Seen a L&S catalog the other day online.
They offer Welding up Stake Marks !!.

[imarangemaster]

Yep Charlie, you got that right!

I am not trying to tinkle in your corn flakes, just trying to explain the difference to me as a history teacher and military weapons aficionado and armorer. Let me use analogy. I have my dad's WW2 Class A blouse (jacket), with all his ribbons including his ruptured duck patch. That is a piece of history. He wore it home from Iwo Jima. I have his pistol belt with iron ring on it (signal corps - for the strap around telephone poles). That's history. I have his minefield map and pre-invasion planning map for Iwo Jima he brought home. Those are history. Now if I went to a surplus store and bought a WW II class A jacket, bought ribbons and chevrons off of ebay, etc, that would not be history, It would be a current day "put together representation" of it, even if it was all original stuff, it was not the original stuff for the jacket you bought. Maybe it is the History teacher in me, but it just would not be authentic. I would rather have an arsenal mixmaster from 1952 than a recently assembled correct carbine which is no more than a bunch of parts put together in 2018

I knew a guy who had a late war Inland with type III band, round bolt and Type II rear sight. Based on serial number, it probably came that way from Inland. He screwed it up with a Type I band, flip sight and flat bolt! He wanted it to look like a "real" WW2 carbine should!!!!!