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    Spent some time in India, and my daughter got married there, sadly the Cast system is something that will never die, and was so prevalent in WW1 and WW1.
    That sadly is the bigger racism issue in the world when the same nations can't even get along with themselves.
    I can't remember the film I watched on a black American fighter Squadron who went through the same thing and weren't acccepted until they saved B17's from being shot down in WW2 a true story.
    It saddens me greatly, afterall................... is their blood when spilt a different colour?
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    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Tuskegee airmen they were the Red Tails and the B-17 crews they saved on the day refused to fly with any other escorts unless it was them, it was thought of the blacks that they were of inferior interlect and would never make good fighter pilots let alone a pilot!

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    Well that showed the world!!!!
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Bob,
    Looks like he came up through the ranks the hard way like my dad. How did he finish up?
    He ended up as a sergeant pilot. The pic above is from his time with OTU 57 at Hawarden. He literally ran across the border between the U.S. and Canadaicon. As such, he knew no-one and had no pull. It also made him a pariah to the U.S. government because the U.S. was maintaining its neutrality. We visited Harry's grave in 1996. Interestingly enough, it was decorated with a poppy, and was the only one decorated so. A girlfriend? We'll never know.



    I'm on the right in red, my late father (U.S.iconN. WWII) is behind me. While we were standing in front of the grave my dad just sort of froze up. That evening at the hotel he began talking. He lost his father and brother Harry that year within six months and had to become the man of the house at fifteen years old. He gave away his older sisters at their weddings and took care of his mom until he joined the Navy in '44. He'd compartmentalized his grief in order to cope and the finality of his brother's death hadn't occurred to him until he stood there at the grave with us in 1996.

    Harry wrote home from Hawarden shortly before his death:
    ‘I’m certainly enjoying flying the Spitfires. They are wonderful little airplanes, and Germanyicon is going to have to go strong to make anything better. I have just finished making application for admittance to the American Eagle Squadron here. I’ll certainly be glad to get with some American fellows…

    ‘Everyone here still says that Englandicon is sure to win, and I was always inclined to be an optimist, so I heartily agree with them. If you folks at home keep the airplanes and ships and guns and food rolling this way, I’m sure Germany can’t win.’
    Interestingly, the taint of pariah still lingered over Harry through 1999 when a group decided to create an East Tennessee Veteran's Memorial to all of her sons who had died in wars. As the project progressed, my father inquired into Harry's inclusion. He was told that since Harry had joined a foreign service at a time when the U.S. was neutral, the association wasn't interested in including him on the memorial. Being the gentleman that he was, my father wasn't interested in pressing the matter and left it at that.



    Right around that time my father was contacted by a retired U.S. Air Force officer who was undertaking making sure that all East Tennessee airmen from WWII were recognized and memorialized in various places around the country. Somehow this gentleman had come across a wartime obituary for Harry. From his research it appeared that Harry was the first wartime casualty from East Tennessee. When he heard that Harry was to be excluded he got hacked off and spearheaded an effort that succeeded in getting Harry's name included on the memorial. Hilariously, the association got the last laugh, in a manner of speaking. When you look for East Tennessee's first casualty, the honor is given to a man who died six months later at Pearl Harbor. Son or not, they just couldn't stand to hand that off to a Canadian Air Force pilot!


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    Ahh good to see bias is alive and well.
    Great story Bob and great family history something to cherish and pass on to the future Womack generations, just on thing the invisible pic of you all where it is!

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    Sorry about that. The edit function isn't working so I'll include it here:




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    Thanks for that story about your Uncle, Bob. That makes me even prouder to be where I'm from, Kingsport, just 10 minutes away from Johnson City.do you still have relatives that live here?
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    Thanks for that story about your Uncle, Bob. That makes me even prouder to be where I'm from, Kingsport, just 10 minutes away from Johnson City.do you still have relatives that live here?
    No, but family lives in Knoxville and Sevierville. I grew up in Knoxville.



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    I didn't realize that we had that many veteran pilots from this area until I read this thread. I knew Bush 41 lived in Kingsport for about 6 months before he enlisted in World War II I believe it was(or maybe it was his parents that lived here I can't remember). When he was shot down and picked up by a submarine, one of the crew of the submarine was from Johnson City but I can't remember his name. And I have a first cousin that flew Mohawks in Vietnam that is still missing in action, his name is Charles Alva Dale and was born in Church Hill which is 5 minutes away from Kingsport and he's been missing since 65. I didn't realize East Tennessee contributed alot pilot wise

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