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    New to me Colt M1917

    Good evening:
    I recently added a Colt .45 acp M 1917 revolver to my collection. I am looking to learn as much as I can about this piece. The serial number decodes to 1918 production. It is marked "US Property" and has the Army # near the lanyard ring on the butt.
    1- would this have been blued initially, and has it been refinished? I would imagine that after 100 the dull finish is too intact to be original.
    2- Can anyone here help me decode the other markings on the frame?
    I am specifically interested in these two...
    "S20" or "520" underneath a small logo of some sort.
    And the "3" near the trigger guard.
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    Thanks in advance for any insight you guys can offer.
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    The eagle is the acceptance mark. It could have been refinished in time for the second war...
    Regards, Jim

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    They were blued originally but as Jim stated, many were refinished with Parkerizing and issued during WWII. Nice revolver.

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    Thanks...I am very pleased. So now that I have had a chance to fondle her for a few days..a few more questions about the markings pop up....
    The mark above the serial # "I" or "H"?
    The "1" below the serial number...does it signify anything?
    Does anyone know what the mark is on the rear face of the cylinder? "I" or "H"?
    How about on the butt frame.."G" and "O" or "Q"?
    But here is the best part...pencil writing on the inside of the grips...what do you guys think of this?
    Looks like the serial #, a name "John/Jacob Shea" and "Chateau Thierry".....
    Any significance? or a hoax somewhere along her 101 year history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82Trooper View Post
    pencil writing on the inside of the grips
    Nice. Very special and irreplaceable...
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    The extraneous markings "1" is likely a fitter marking. Colt worked on a piece work system and if there was a problem with an individual gun it was traceable to the fitter, who fixed it on his own time.

    I suspect "G" is a coded marking referring to the US government - sort of a contract marking.

    The marking above the serial and on the cylinder is the eagle inspection marking.

    Most of the .455 guns will have an "E" which is believed to refer to "Englandicon" or "English".

    Other stamped markings may have referred to the forging dies used, or a specific material.

    Also as discussed the fact that it's parkerized indicates that it has been refinished or possibly rebuilt - usually that would be stamped with coded markings to indicate who/when/why ect.
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    Any thoughts on the writing on the grips?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Enfield View Post
    usually that would be stamped with coded markings to indicate who/when/why etc.
    Could have been done by a guy since release. We did lots of that sort.
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    Look up the battle of Chateau-Thierry 18 July 1918.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsimmons View Post
    Look up the battle of Chateau-Thierry 18 July 1918.
    Of course I did this....one of the first major engagements by the American Expeditionary Force in WWI, and a precursor to the battle at Belleau Wood. Generally, these two battles are identified as America's "baptism of fire" during the Great War.
    I guess what I was really asking was if writing a name or battle locations and dates was "a thing" soldiers did, in those days, on the grips. Has anyone seen this before? Does it potentially lend credibility to this pistol's provenance (or at least the grips!) that they were at Chateau-Thierry?
    Thanks again for any thoughtful insight....
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