+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: Been awhile, checking in... Rockola barrel on Quality hardware

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM

    Been awhile, checking in... Rockola barrel on Quality hardware

    Hello the camp,

    Haven't had a carbine since last summer (first time since 1982!) when I sold my white bag Inland and a lot of other guns out of the safe because of pressing issues..

    I have been enjoying my Mini-30 and Mini-14, but miss my little carbine. I was in my buddies gun shop and he got a CMPicon Carbine in an Italianicon FAT stock. It is a Quality Hardware with a Rockola barrel. Finish on barrel and receiver are close, both about 90% and are the aged, greenish grey parkerizing, rather than the bright grey or almost black of late rebuilds. Type III band and Type II rear sight. Did Quality ever use Rockola barrels, or is it a replacement as I suspect?

    Anyway, trying to work out details to make it mine. I still have all my Carbine mags and accessories, and some ammo still. I have LOTS of brass and bullets to reload, too. I knew I would get another one.


  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
     

  3. #2
    Member GotSnlB28's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 07:50 PM
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    16
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    01:24 PM
    Yep, they did. Lots of QHMC's wear RO barrels, including mine. Cheaper shipping as both were in Chicago
    Hope you make the deal work, life's to short not to have a carbine.

  4. Thank You to GotSnlB28 For This Useful Post:


  5. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  6. #3
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    Hmmm... I forgot they were both from Chicago. It must be meant to be. I was born in Chicago in 1952, and left for California in 1972. I will have to loose the FAT stock, though. I'll pick up a Quality Hardware stock on Ebay.

  7. #4
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    Serial number is 4,702,198, so I am guessing early to mid-1944. Think it is too early for the "PI" Type II sight, but it only has one stake mark aligned on this sight. Type III band has a diamond with a circle or "O" in it. Not one I have seen before. The muzzle is pretty good, as it had about 3/16" showing on an M2 ball round, so maybe a "2" on the ME gauge. Round, blued bolt with an "X" on the top, Flip safety, mag catch without the M2 hook on it, and what looks to be a Type III or Type IV slide. I will be able to do more after I get it and tear it down. I have to dig out my carbine books to really run it down more.

    The "FAT 77" stock is awful! The action is set so deep in the stock that the slide is rubbing on the top of the stock instead of the receiver, and the recoil lug is buried down 3/16" into the wrist of the stock. It has a cheap C tip repo sling, cheap commercial oiler, and a repo Type I mag pouch on the stock. I have a Original GI D tip and oiler, but need to pick up a legit stock pouch. I still have 7 or 8 USGI 30s, and twice as many USGI 15 rounders.







    Last edited by imarangemaster; 02-22-2019 at 06:05 PM.

  8. #5
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    OK, I have a couple questions. I am confused. Riesch's book say QH from 4,700.000 on had Type III rear sight and Type III barrel band. Jim Mock's site says it had either type II or Type III band, but type I sights. Mine has Type II sight (which appears original according to the stake mark) and a Type III band. While I realize it is a mixmaster, and not a hidden gem, what would it have had?

  9. #6
    Really Senior Member Bruce McAskill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 09:33 PM
    Posts
    1,720
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    It would have been a type 2 barrel band. Most likely a type 1 rear sight at first. The type 3 stamped rear sight was used by Rock-Ola with H in a shield or I.R.Co. stamped on it sometime during the 4 million range and till the end of production according to War Baby. Your sight is stamped PI for Inland. The type 3 band was only used by Inland and Winchester starting about November 1944. Rock-Ola ended their production in May 1944. Your changes were done post war during it's rebuild.
    Last edited by Bruce McAskill; 02-23-2019 at 09:53 PM.

  10. Thank You to Bruce McAskill For This Useful Post:


  11. #7
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    Thanks Bruce, that's what I figured. I have alway considered the mixmasters to be "as issued", just at a later time instead of when they left the factory. I actually prefer the Type II rear sight it has. I am ambivalent about the bayonet lug, but do like the enhanced accuracy of the Type III band. I plan out breaking it completely down (including bolt) for a thorough cleaning and parts check.

    If the cast recoil lug allows the barreled receiver to "hang" properly, I probably won't replace it. I am going to have to replace the FAT 77 stock. It is UGLY! I may go with a Quality Hardware stock if I can find a decent one, but any GI walnut stock will work. probably can get an Inland cheaper than a QH.

    As far as the X on the top of the bolt, I seem to remember that it means the bolt doesn't have the latest updates, but was used anyway. I may be wrong on that, though.
    Last edited by imarangemaster; 02-23-2019 at 11:04 PM.

  12. #8
    Advisory Panel
    USGI's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 09:05 PM
    Location
    Oregon
    Age
    74
    Posts
    1,632
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    11:24 AM
    Real Name
    Bob
    Quote Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
    If the cast recoil lug allows the barreled receiver to "hang" properly, I probably won't replace it.
    I have an Underwood and found that the receiver is a loose fit to the cast recoil plate it came with. Last month I wanted to fix that and shoot it for the first time, so tried the receiver with at least half a dozen spare recoil plates from my parts box. I found some that were close, but none tight enough. I remembered the CMPicon article about tightening them, so decided I might give it a try. I don't own a brass hammer so decided to use a big plastic one for giving it a "whack." I didn't want to risk damaging the NOS milled WWII recoil plate I wanted to put on the carbine, so experimented first with the cast one thinking it might break. That trial worked and made the cast one fit just right. At that point I tried "adjusting" the NOS milled one, and it broke in two with the first blow! I then tried another cast one, and it tightened up fine, too. I settled on using one of the cast plates and still don't understand why the milled one broke. I thought it might be the other way around! - Bob

  13. Thank You to USGI For This Useful Post:


  14. #9
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    Bob, I am surprised the forged one snapped. I have used the brass hammer method before, and never had a problem. Like you, I would have thought it would be the other way around.

  15. #10
    Really Senior Member imarangemaster's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    01-20-2020 @ 11:07 AM
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    3,047
    Local Date
    01-22-2020
    Local Time
    02:24 PM
    Thread Starter
    Outstanding! Details have been worked out and I put the Quality Hardware carbine in 10 day Commiefornia jail. In the end, I gave $750 - including $26 DROS - for it. $650 trade in and $100 cash. Considering it is a CMPicon (My buddy the dealer is friends with the seller, and confirmed it is a CMP Service Grade), the condition and between 1 and 2 on the ME, I think that is fair. I have knee surgery on the 6th, so it will be a week after that before I can claim it. Have a Quality stock ordered.
    Last edited by imarangemaster; 02-26-2019 at 03:47 PM.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Quality hardware m1 carbine
    By Meyer2283 in forum WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-21-2017, 09:17 PM
  2. Quality Hardware.
    By Mikey51 in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 08-12-2010, 11:35 PM
  3. Quality Hardware barrel band
    By Bufordm1 in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-18-2009, 11:06 PM
  4. Un-quality Hardware
    By mac in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 04-29-2009, 01:51 AM
  5. Quality Hardware Carbine
    By frankderrico in forum M1/M2 Carbine
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 03-07-2009, 10:49 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts