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    Quote Originally Posted by bob q View Post
    It does depend upon the maker . Using my collection of over 30 years [ most rifle picked up long before they were worth any money , so people were not putting the wrong parts on them ] , that has about every maker , every series and every 10,000 block [ more of Nagoya as they were more varied ] . I see the cover going away first . I am counting rifles were you can see pod marks [ even if it is no longer there ] and rifles showing no marks at all from the covers . I have a N-5 60k with a pod , some N-5's that are earlier with no pod . I have no Nags later than the 50k that show cover . But that is what made the Nagoya's interesting , parts would come and go and come back in a series . The Kokura's were a little more standard . I have a pod on a K-24 at 40 k , but have no rifles about K-23 90 k showing a pod . With Toyo kogyo's I have a pod at TK-32 50k but a cover on a TK-32 at 60k . I have a late pod band [ only ] on a N-8 that looks like it was made that way . I know when you started collecting and most of what you have . You have got some nice rifles but have a long way to go .
    I respect your knowledge from collecting such a long time. You are right that I'm pretty new at this game, so I don't want to come across in the wrong way. I was basing this off observations I've made and what other long term collectors have told me.



    I like Nagoya aot too because you are very right about them using old parts throughout their later series. Best example I can think of is the 8th where randomly the protected front sight and receiver with the "Type 99" text comes back from a brief period after several thousand rifles made without them, only to return back to standard Nagoya last ditch pattern later on. I know those type "A" receiver also appears at random in the 11th.

    Anyway, I've just never seen a 5th series in person or posted somewhere with (or without) a monopod that really showed the look of one being on the rifle since the war. I've seen some added later, usually proofed wrong or not showing the old wear in that area most rifles with a pod had. However, I'll admit that the lack of something from a pretty tiny pool (what I've seen in 4 years) doesn't prove my point. I want to keep an open mind this this field since nothing is set in stone, as I've come to find out.

    Best regards, and respect.

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    I do think there was no definite time [ close to 40,000 in some series with some parts ] when parts stopped being put on rifles . They clearly went back to the " reject parts " bin later in the war to use parts . In any event it is probably to close to call [ cover to pod ] with some makers or series as there was no definite "stop " .
    I just went by my sample which favored the covers first , and not by much . So a person would need a collection much larger than mine to get a better answer . Also remember some of the published data is close to 50 years old now . And some people are not a reliable source of info , I do not know how many times I have heard " my rifle does not have a mum and never did " , when it is clearly ground . But that is what drew me to the Arisakaicon's in the first place , they are all so different . Other than the makers stamp and date , most of my K-98k's are the same .

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    I tend never to buy the story about a gun but, I would give some validity to this story. This was a vet bring back that the guy kept as a souvenir and did not fire it after bringing it home. His son had it for about 30 years and he did not shoot it also. The son sold it to a LGS and I bought it from the gunshop owner. He sold it to me for $295.00 and I did not haggle about the price. After cleaning the bore (see pics) it showed strong rifling and no pitting. I cleaned the bolt and oiled trigger and moving parts. I’ve got 50 rounds of brass, 150 grain bullets and some Lee dies. I have studied about making brass from 30.06 but that may come later. This is my first and only Arisakaicon rifle and it is interesting to find out about the history about these firearms.

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