+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Mystery Arisaka M-38

Click here to increase the font size Click here to reduce the font size
  1. #1
    Member davidmyoung66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Last On
    04-30-2019 @ 10:54 PM
    Location
    Fircrest WA
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    09:07 PM
    Real Name
    David Youngquist

    Mystery Arisaka M-38

    Hello all. I've been helping out at an estate sale for the last couple months, identifying and cataloging rifles in a collection of probably over 1100 milsurp firearms. A lot of this collection so far has been Arisakas of all variants. If Japan made it, this guy had it. So far, out of over 300 rifles sold, only four that I have identified had import markings on them. Most so far have had the mum intact. There have been a few ground, but a lot have not.

    Which brings me to the point of this post. At the last auction, I was fortunate to pick up a rifle I had not been able to identify before sales day. It's an Arisakaicon 38 carbine with non-matching numbers. It's got import marks and numbers on it, but it's an early import from what I can tell. From the stamp on the receiver, it was made at the Kukurn Arsenal. It has the triangle in circle, so it's been proof tested as well. The furniture looks nice. There is a crack in the forearm that was professionally repaired, and done well, but the gun is a mystery. It has no mum, and has never had one from what I can tell. It's not been ground or defaced. It's smooth, with the numbers 7 and 0 stamped in place of the mum. There is no Japanese or Chinese figures on the receiver or anywhere on the gun, except the proof marks from the arsenal. There are no protective ears on the front site.

    Another mystery, is it is 7mm. I have handled enough 30s, 38s, and 44s for this auction, as well as having owned several Swedishicon Mausers over the years, I know what a 6.5mm muzzle looks like. I compared it side by side with my Moisin and the muzzle diameter is similar. A 7.62 bullet will fit inside the muzzle of this M38. I have not had a smith check it for chambering or head space as of yet, as I only officially have owned it since Sat.

    Any direction on this thing would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the help.

  2. # ADS
    Friends and Sponsors
    Join Date
    October 2006
    Location
    Milsurps.Com
    Posts
    All Threads
    No Drill-Tap scope mounts for Mosin Nagant, Mauser K98K, Yugo M48, Swedish M96 and M38, Swiss K31, K11, 1911 and more! Bringing mil-surplus rifles to modern standard without damaging historical values! We specialise in military utensils and artefacts such as helmets, daggers, medals and badges, etc.  The on-line store is intended for personal browsing and searching of collecting objects. All items are provided historical value only and can be used for home collection or other purposes except of fascism, Nazism or other extremism manifestation or its propaganda. LIMITED TIME OFFER FROM THE AMERICAN GUNSMITHING INSTITUTE: Get Immediate Online Access To AGI's NEW Armorer's Course for Glock Pistols, Covering Every Generation of Glocks, Including the Latest Model 42/43 and Double Stack Pistols for ONLY $7.00! Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles We pride ourselves on being the new lowest price listing service, and the simplest to use. If you need to buy or sell collectible firearms or any firearm in your legal possession, then this is the place for you. If you’re a big collector clearing house, or other seller that could benefit from a Premium seller account, then we can also support you here at Gunonline.com. Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

  3. #2
    Senior Member AGB-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:18 AM
    Location
    Krugerville Texas
    Age
    79
    Posts
    131
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    11:07 PM
    Some were converted to 8x57 by the Chinese.

    Arisaka in 8mm
    Last edited by AGB-1; 04-29-2019 at 12:21 PM.

  4. Avoid Ads - Become a Contributing Member - Click HERE
  5. #3
    Member davidmyoung66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Last On
    04-30-2019 @ 10:54 PM
    Location
    Fircrest WA
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    09:07 PM
    Real Name
    David Youngquist
    Thread Starter
    I've thought of that, and looked it up, but doesn't look like that either. There are none of the marks on it that the Chinese stamped on their conversions.

  6. #4
    Senior Member AGB-1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 10:18 AM
    Location
    Krugerville Texas
    Age
    79
    Posts
    131
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    11:07 PM
    Some were converted to 7.62x39.

    Type 38 rifle - Wikipedia
    Last edited by AGB-1; 04-30-2019 at 03:34 AM.

  7. #5
    Contributing Member Eaglelord17's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 08:35 PM
    Location
    Sault Ste. Marie, ON
    Posts
    971
    Local Date
    05-27-2019
    Local Time
    12:07 AM
    Check to see if it is 7mm Mauser. Mexico did order some 7mm Arisakas though the order got cancelled due to the 1911 revolution. I am not super knowledgable on that variant though so you would have to do some digging to find out if this meets the description of one.

  8. #6
    Really Senior Member bob q's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Last On
    Yesterday @ 09:51 PM
    Location
    north texas
    Posts
    235
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    11:07 PM
    Mexican rifles had the eagle crest on the receiver . Everything on this rifle points to China . The receiver is scrubbed and notched for a longer round , the front sight has been off and it has an import mark . If a 7.62 bullet will fit down the barrel , that means lands greater than .308 , like the .311 of a 8mm .

  9. #7
    Really Senior Member Bruce McAskill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last On
    05-25-2019 @ 08:40 PM
    Posts
    1,666
    Local Date
    05-27-2019
    Local Time
    12:07 AM
    It's been worked over for sure. The receiver looks like it was sand blasted and then refinished. Quite a few of the shorter rifles were converted to 7.62x39 as AGB suggested. So that would suggest the 8mm Mauser as a possibility with the cut on the top of the receiver for a longer round.

  10. #8
    Member davidmyoung66's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Last On
    04-30-2019 @ 10:54 PM
    Location
    Fircrest WA
    Posts
    6
    Local Date
    05-26-2019
    Local Time
    09:07 PM
    Real Name
    David Youngquist
    Thread Starter
    I'll get it to a smith and have it checked for caliber. So far in the estate, it's the only one I've found this way. But there are 1100 or so rifles to go through. It is the only Arisakaicon I have found without a mum, too.


+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. Mystery (to me) No 4 mk 2
    By polaris in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 12-24-2015, 04:50 PM
  2. Another mystery no4
    By McCraggen in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 11-04-2013, 05:06 AM
  3. Mystery No4 MkI.
    By Anzac15 in forum The Lee Enfield Knowledge Library Collectors Forum
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 10-26-2011, 02:22 AM
  4. My Mystery Gun ... help ID?
    By paulm in forum Milsurps General Discussion Forum
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 11-12-2010, 08:06 PM
  5. My 88 mystery
    By burpgun in forum M1903/1903A3/A4 Springfield Rifle
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 07-05-2009, 01:46 AM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts