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Indeed, I gather it is now a criminal offence in the UK
to sell or even give away a deact that is not up to the current 2018 UK/EU spec. You can keep the old spec deacts without authority, but you can't move them on without bringing them up to current standards. I don't know much about it but from what I can gather the latest spec necessitates the trigger being disconnected from the sear or the sear from the bolt. The bolt can move but in simple terms the rifles can no longer dry fire. It's got nothing to do with safety & everything to do with discouraging people from wanting to own them in the first place. Make them unattractive & people might not want them any longer. After all, nice, switched on, socially aware people wouldn't want to own a gun in the first place.................would they......?
At least in respect of bolt action rifles there was nothing wrong with the most recent UK spec., nor, for that matter, was there anything wrong with the UK/EU 2016 spec. But, they could still be dry fired........heaven forbid, you might enjoy owning one!
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I believe the larger companies continue to sell old spec deacs to the Isle of man and the Channel islands, because they aren't under the EU's jack boot and the legislation is very clear that the deac regs only cover the EU.
If we ever actually bloody leave, we will be able to trade (perfectly safe) old spec London and Birmingham certified deactivated firearms again, though only for as long as the government take to close the loop hole.
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We're getting into the field of fuzzy logic here chaps. A former firearm doesn't need to have been within 50 miles of a proof house to be deemed to be NOT a firearm. The proof house simply CONFIRMS that it has been inspected and blah bl;ah. In short, if it has a proof house cert, then it is for the the CROWN to prove that it is still a firearm, If it is deactivated to any other spec, the onus is upon you. The spec distinctly states '.....there are other methods of deactivation.....' And, as we found to our total satisfaction recently the final arbiters are the courts. NOT the police, or the police experts or the proof house
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That full-length SMLE "skeleton" with the "REPRO" stamp looks like the ones made in Brisbane in the late 1970s / early eighties.
A small number came out of the "shed" of a serious collector who had the machinists skills and a swag of "pre-loved" parts. He also had the decency to mark them "REPRO" and make subtle variations in each.
Dating back to the Metford days, "skeleton" actions were initially armourers' tools and later use for instructional purposes, not fancy wall-hangers. Most were MUCH shorter, with only about eight inches of barrel but a full butt, which acted as a handle during use / demonstration.
In later years, Lithgow made "sectionized" L1A1s for much the same purposes.
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Thanks Peter, puts things in perspective....
I know cutaway rifles fall into a grey legal hinterland with ( from a UK perspective) it depends on your Police force as to how they are considered.
Several years ago I had this very conversation with my local Firearms team as to their take on cut aways.
The answer was they had never dealt with any, but could see they would be valid as part of a larger collection, to employ common sense and only buy from an RFD.
As keen shooters and collectors, amateurs and professionals alike, we all know what's 'potentially' viable as a firearm, (common sense part), so it's buyer beware, only purchase from an RFD and ensure with them its utterly incapable of discharging anything, with no reusable pressure baring parts, before you buy it.
I dare say that it's probably safe to say that those who have them in the UK should go with the side of caution and treat them as you would old spec deactivated Firearms ( defectively deactivated), so don't sell or give them away, or procure any more.
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Yes I’ve seen one in Brisbane marked repro the same.
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Originally Posted by
Bruce_in_Oz
That full-length SMLE "skeleton" with the "REPRO" stamp looks like the ones made in Brisbane in the late 1970s / early eighties.
A small number came out of the "shed" of a serious collector who had the machinists skills and a swag of "pre-loved" parts. He also had the decency to mark them "REPRO" and make subtle variations in each.
Dating back to the Metford days, "skeleton" actions were initially armourers' tools and later use for instructional purposes, not fancy wall-hangers. Most were MUCH shorter, with only about eight inches of barrel but a full butt, which acted as a handle during use / demonstration.
In later years,
Lithgow made "sectionized" L1A1s for much the same purposes.
That's some really good info! Thank you.
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