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    Now this latest FORCES TV "Lets tell every enemy know what we have" video answers all my questions I think, but not quite sure what they are going to destroy incoming missiles with??
    The laser detector is useful.




    Love the BBQ 50 Gallon drum on the back on this video ha ha!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    And of course Arty is the one that walks onto the objective and holds it. Arty roots out the defenders from their holes and keeps them out. You sure have visions...
    90% of the Land casualties in WWII were caused by Arty, 8% by Armoured, 2% by Infantry. The balance has shifted even more in recent years thanks to advancement in Arty tech (the stuff the Russians are doing in Ukraine is truly proving the value of it).

    Everything is needed at the end of the day, no element is particularly valuable on its own. Without supply you don't have equipment to fight a battle, without Infantry you can't hold terf, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    no element is particularly valuable on its own.
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    without Infantry you can't hold terf,
    You see? You answer yourself. Lots of fights have been won without arty or armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    Would love to know from somebody what this Chaffe idea is all about?? I could understand a little if they used jamming technology, but Chaffe!!!
    Surely "Chaff" is a form of "Jamming Technology" for radar? It may be old technology but if it still works why not use it if there is nothing better available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    Surely "Chaff" is a form of "Jamming Technology" for radar? It may be old technology but if it still works why not use it if there is nothing better available?
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    Transgender and Pride seems to be the main focus of our current Gov't, not tanks!!!!! Just a minute...have to go to the washroom!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bros View Post
    Just a minute...have to go to the washroom!!!
    Which one ?

    Back to Tanks, I had an introduction by one of the "gunners" of a Challenger when I was in Batus, some bit of kit, lots of room compared to others but still cramped, give me a workbench and a vice any day.



    Me next to a proper tank in Bordon, the big stuff was getting ready to go to RAF Lyhnam
    (the gun is facing backwards)


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    The one inherent weakness of all tanks is they are tracked lose a track and your like a submarine with an open sash window!

    This has been around for a while all you need is to get the troops to paint the targets and there you go no tank an anti aircraft missile won't get this round,


    Gather that is a Chieftain BD6

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Gather that is a Chieftain BD6
    Yep, It seemed to be doing a few laps of Bordon.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    As an ex Paratrooper we spent thousands of hours recognising tanks from every nation and learning every aspect of them, especially the Sovieticon ones obviously.
    227 tanks remain out of the original 376. The Britishicon Army require the conversions to be finished by 2025. It is assumed that Challenger 2 will remain in service until 2035. However it will be a big task for BAE or it's competitor Rheinmetall Defence.

    The tank shape seems to being going back to WW2 with more and more reliance on Chafe to deter missile strikes from the air, or have I a skewed view of tanks.
    Being half Germanicon half Irish, I have always rated the LEOPARD German tank as one of the best, what does your country have U.S and Canadaicon that compares on upgrades?

    Below images left to right: CHALLENGER 2 - LEOPARD - M1icon ABRAMS

    "BAE or it's competitor Rheinmetall Defence".

    Both have now amalgamated for the Challenger deal Gil...

    With only 225 in the fleet, you have to wonder if there is much point?

    Consider that the only time the UK has deployed armour in strength since WW2 is Gulf Wars 1 and 2.

    Both of these depolyed 100 plus MBT's in a cohesive Armored Division...

    The question is, can we with a total fleet of 200 odd tanks deploy 100 of them again?

    If the answer is no, then I can't see the point in keeping them really...

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    Further to this, weapons like Brimstone and the follow on SPEAR 2 will make tanks little more than easy battlefield targets in the future.

    I doubt Challenger 2 will be replaced post 2030, that's for sure.

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