DP28 and PPSH41 Inert instructional cutaways

[mrclark303]

Afternoon all,

Who likes cutaway instructional pieces?

I do...

A few more came my way the other week, via a large UK RFD.

Bulgarian 1951 dated PPsh41, full matching numbers, fully sectioned from the factory as a Soviet block training aid.

The other is a DP28, an all matching three digit s/n, no date, no manufacturer marking. again manufactured as a training aid and sectioned at the factory.

Neither piece had any pressure baring components reusable and they won't chamber rounds as the chamber had been cut away by 50%.

Very interesting pieces indeed.
Better pics when I get a chance.

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[browningautorifle]

Yes, very neat and would be a good piece to fill a collection...specially in the world of dewats.

[mrclark303]

Cheers Jim, I have to say the DP28 is a very interesting and robust design.

[browningautorifle]

Yep...very solid gun. I had a runner in the small arms school we have here...never did wring it out though.

[bigduke6]

Very Nice John, I've had a thing for them since I was a kid, although the first I seen was more than a cutaway, it was an L1A1 that was used by the mobile Army recruiting trailers at Game fairs and such.

I cant remember if you pressed a button or pulled the trigger ?? and it started a sequence in slow motion of the moving parts, I've mentioned it before cant remember who replied regarding the finer details, I'll have to dig my Bren cutaway out, not a SKS one but I guess an apprentice one as it has more detail and more meat machined than the SKS.

[Roy W]

So are these classed as De-Acts? or are they Sect 1?

[browningautorifle]

I cant remember if you pressed a button or pulled the trigger

We had a .50 that had a motor attached and cycled that way but was unreliable because drill ammo was out of spec...press a button on it.

I'll have to dig my Bren cutaway out, not a SKS one but I guess an apprentice one

Yep, this would be the thread to show those off.

[Peter Laidler]

As to whether they are deacts, non firearms by default, no firearms by definition really depends on who you ask. The real police say that as they're not lethal - once again, as legally defined, they're not interested, as in the case of the skeletonised No1's and 4's. But the 'experts' in the non real, non home office 'police' force who are, once again, not 'experts' or even qualified to say or call themselves experts by any stretch of the imagination, say that they ARE............ Does that minefield answer the question RoyW?

[mrclark303]

So are these classed as De-Acts? or are they Sect 1?

Hi Roy,

They are classified as inert training non Firearms.

As they are constructed at the factory as sectioned demonstration pieces from specially sectioned components.

I purchased both from one of the largest UK militaria and RFD's.

The London Proof House also confirm this status.

Neither have any reusable pressure baring components and are in essence 'deactivated' by design.

Of course, legal definitions of what is, or isn't a firearm, change from country to country.

From a UK perspective, if anyone is interested in this area of collecting, just make sure in advance that it's fully inert, with no pressure baring parts and most importantly, only buy one from a registered Firearms dealer, who has done all the checks first.

On these examples, the chamber's have been milled away by 50%, so they won't support an inert round, the bolt face has also been sectioned away by 50%, to show the FP channel.

[mrclark303]

As to whether they are deacts, non firearms by default, no firearms by definition really depends on who you ask. The real police say that as they're not lethal - once again, as legally defined, they're not interested, as in the case of the skeletonised No1's and 4's. But the 'experts' in the non real, non home office 'police' force who are, once again, not 'experts' or even qualified to say or call themselves experts by any stretch of the imagination, say that they ARE............ Does that minefield answer the question RoyW?

Afternoon Peter,

I am referring of course to normal sensible authorities approach, not to the bloody Spanish inquisition that you had to deal with!